Originally Posted by 1reguL8NSTi

There's a reason so many members of 1st SFOD (Delta Force) carry the M1A. Great knockdown power, totally capable in close-quarters and the potential to reach out and touch if it must. The only complaint that I've heard is that compared to an M4 it's weight can get old in the field. If you don't already have an M4 in your collection start with it. Probably my favorite all around weapon.

Originally Posted by sublime1

I've been looking at the Rock River Arms Elite CAR A4. I was looking for a 223 chambered rifle since I already have a 308. It's pretty sweet and I hear good things about it.

Originally Posted by ryball

you could always buy a bushmaster and then find a shop that sells the lowers and "set it aside" for later when/if they ever fix CA law...

Originally Posted by pozzi

that's like my SKS...
if i got a clip for over 10 rounds and took OFF the bayonette then its illegal, but keep the bayonette on (WTH?!?!?) and use the stock 10 round clip and its Cali approved...
how and where they got their "ideas" of the guns on the ban list is a complete mystery.

Originally Posted by calgun.net faq

2. What are the three California assault weapon classifications?

The original AWCA ’89 (“Roberti-Roos”) banned over fifty specific brands and models of firearms – while mostly rifles, some were pistols and shotguns.

Many other similar models from other manufacturers existed at the time, these were not banned: AWCA ’89 banned only specifically named assault weapons. A few of these weapons, in fact, were not even pistol-gripped ‘ugly’ guns: for example, the Springfield Armory BM59 (essentially a Garand with detachable magazine), and the SKS with detachable magazine were both banned by this act. Yet these firearms are topologically similar to current California-legal detachable-magazine rifles like the M1A, Ruger Mini 14, and KelTec SU16.

While the categories below have no real penal code significance in and of themselves, they are used as common terms of reference to describe various assault weapons.

Category I assault weapons are those specifically named by make and model in Penal Code §12276 (and echoed in California Code of Regulation §979.10). These firearms are assault weapons at even the bare receiver/frame level – regardless of any particular characteristic features. Thus an Uzi receiver would be banned by name, but a similar Group Industries receiver would be legal (as long as offending Category III features were not added).

Category II assault weapons consist of the AR15 and AK “series” of firearms. While AR and AK series were named in the original Roberti-Roos laws, due to various key court decisions about “series” membership it’s useful to refer to them as their own category, those these guns really have just fallen back into the Roberti-Roos list once listed by DOJ.

Category III assault weapons are defined by characteristic features listed in PC 12276.1:



RIFLES:



A semiautomatic centerfire rifle capable of accepting detachable magazines and any of:

▪ a pistol grip protruding conspicuously below the weapon’s action

▪ a thumbhole stock or folding or telescopic stock;

▪ a flash suppressor, grenade launcher or flare launcher;

▪ a forward pistol grip.



A semiautomatic centerfire rifle with overall length of less than 30 inches;

A semiautomatic centerfire rifle with a fixed magazine holding over 10 rounds.

Originally Posted by ryball

So Mikey, got any plans for "accessories" for your Kel-tec.

Originally Posted by Egan

I have a compact foreend (gotta lose the gimmicky bipod), extended butt pad, and sling kit waiting at home. My muzzle brake and AR mags will be here today. Ammo arrives Friday. My scope and rings should be in on Monday.

Anyone want to go to the range next weekend?

Originally Posted by Egan

In addition to the list of banned manufacturers and models, there is this:



So I really don't understand how guys are buying off-list receivers. They still don't pass the test above.

Originally Posted by R4ND0M_AX3

I'm trying (not really) to see how one of my relatives is able to own an SP89. I think he said he got it before the ban(s).

Originally Posted by ryball

They had a sweet pair of those for sale at the old National Shooting Club, now Reed's indoor range back in the day in San Jose.

They also had an SL-8 that I really wanted back then, but I was a poor college student.