The End of the Impreza (in the WRC)?
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Originally Posted by iBlueVirus
got any link on this news/rumor? this would suck big time if it's true. 
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Max Mosley, the president of the FIA - world motorsport's governing body - has put forward a proposal for new regulations for the World Rally Championship which he says will cut costs and could encourage new manufacturers to enter the sport.
The Super 2000 regulations, which encourage the use of common parts and limit sophisticated and expensive components and development, have been highly successful in the FIA's European Touring Car Championship and could be adapted for use in rallying. Costs to produce such a car are likely to be substantially less than their current level, which could encourage firms such as Suzuki, Renault and Fiat - who are currently not in the WRC - to enter if the rules were introduced for 2006.
Super 2000-style rally cars would be powered by a two-litre, normally aspirated engine producing around 250-270bhp, and highly-complex transmission systems such as the active differentials which are de rigeur on modern WRC cars would be banned in favour of more cost effective solutions. Gearboxes would likely be standard sequential units, and the use of exotic materials, such as titanium, ceramics, magnesium and composites would be banned unless they are already used on the original homologated production car.
Manufacturers currently competing in the WRC are currently in discussion about how to cut costs in the championship and Mosley is asking for feedback about his proposal ahead of a meeting in October. Any discussion about the future regulations of the WRC would have to take into account the plans of manufacturers - such as Citroen with the new C4 and Ford with the 2006-specification Focus - in developing cars for 2005 and beyond.
The Super 2000 regulations, which encourage the use of common parts and limit sophisticated and expensive components and development, have been highly successful in the FIA's European Touring Car Championship and could be adapted for use in rallying. Costs to produce such a car are likely to be substantially less than their current level, which could encourage firms such as Suzuki, Renault and Fiat - who are currently not in the WRC - to enter if the rules were introduced for 2006.
Super 2000-style rally cars would be powered by a two-litre, normally aspirated engine producing around 250-270bhp, and highly-complex transmission systems such as the active differentials which are de rigeur on modern WRC cars would be banned in favour of more cost effective solutions. Gearboxes would likely be standard sequential units, and the use of exotic materials, such as titanium, ceramics, magnesium and composites would be banned unless they are already used on the original homologated production car.
Manufacturers currently competing in the WRC are currently in discussion about how to cut costs in the championship and Mosley is asking for feedback about his proposal ahead of a meeting in October. Any discussion about the future regulations of the WRC would have to take into account the plans of manufacturers - such as Citroen with the new C4 and Ford with the 2006-specification Focus - in developing cars for 2005 and beyond.
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No Don't edit my thread just to trip on your power. The title is correct. It is what I wanted to convey. What does Impreza mean to you? Would it be the same car if it was an inline 4/ KEEP YOUR FINGERS OFF MY POSTS!
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I think thats hella retarded. Isn't the biggest advantage of the whole racing thing to the normal person (as in ppl who don't watch it) that it improves technology? Before Audi kicked *** with the quatro, there was no AWD cars, now they're common place cuz it did so well. Same with lots of technology, it was invented for racing to give them an advantage, and then later was adapted to practical use. To me, its the development of new and cooler ****, (plus the funnes of watching). I mean sure its mostly marketing for them, but its got a practical side too.
IMO, they should take out most of the regs. For example, if they took out the intake restrictor plates and instead only gave everyone x amount of gas per stage, then newer gas efficient powerful engines would be developed and it would improve everything. It would end up limiting the horsepower since you can only run soo much power on a tank of gas and promote some good things. I think everything should be more like that but understand somewhat why it isn't, and don't care a whole lot. But I think this whole thing about no more flat 4s is hella dumb. subaru wins it last year, and might've this year if Petter hadn't wrecked, (I guess he still could) and now they change the rules to allow other manufacturers in. I'm sorry, but if a flat 4s better others should change to use it, they shouldn't change the rules.
IMO, they should take out most of the regs. For example, if they took out the intake restrictor plates and instead only gave everyone x amount of gas per stage, then newer gas efficient powerful engines would be developed and it would improve everything. It would end up limiting the horsepower since you can only run soo much power on a tank of gas and promote some good things. I think everything should be more like that but understand somewhat why it isn't, and don't care a whole lot. But I think this whole thing about no more flat 4s is hella dumb. subaru wins it last year, and might've this year if Petter hadn't wrecked, (I guess he still could) and now they change the rules to allow other manufacturers in. I'm sorry, but if a flat 4s better others should change to use it, they shouldn't change the rules.
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I doubt they would mandate an inline engine layout. If the purpose would be to bring new manufacturers into the sport why would they want to exclude others? They most important subjects of the rule changes would be exotic materials and non-homologated equipment(gearboxes, etc.) More auto-makers and privateer groups will be able to compete because development costs will be so much less.
This is a great idea to help bring the sport of rallying to a truly global level. Imagine winning a world rally in a car you put togeather in you drive way!
I know it might not be that easy but you get the point.
This is a great idea to help bring the sport of rallying to a truly global level. Imagine winning a world rally in a car you put togeather in you drive way!
I know it might not be that easy but you get the point.
it doesnt say its banning boxer engine... i dont know where the rumor came from.
Subaru can still run NA boxer engine, right?
Subaru raced 2liter NA EJ20 which had 300 horsepower so it shouldnt be a problem at all.
i think its a good thing to cut cost because no one will be participating if the cost is gonna be this high.... especially with more events on the calender.
Subaru can still run NA boxer engine, right?
Subaru raced 2liter NA EJ20 which had 300 horsepower so it shouldnt be a problem at all.
i think its a good thing to cut cost because no one will be participating if the cost is gonna be this high.... especially with more events on the calender.
In other articles, it states that there will be a spec gearbox from a common manufacturer. And that gearbox will be set up solely for transversly mounted 4-cylinders.
So, you are correct in saying that boxer engines aren't directly banned, they are just effectively banned.
So, you are correct in saying that boxer engines aren't directly banned, they are just effectively banned.
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whats next, eliminate AWD? 
if honda, toyota and nissan are freed up to enter wrc... to me it looks like FIA seeing more dollar signs- because that would mean more corporate exposure and a much larger marketability to the masses because of these potential new manufacturers- WRC
maybe these revisions have more financial motives than anything else?
thats my $.02
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if honda, toyota and nissan are freed up to enter wrc... to me it looks like FIA seeing more dollar signs- because that would mean more corporate exposure and a much larger marketability to the masses because of these potential new manufacturers- WRC
maybe these revisions have more financial motives than anything else?
thats my $.02
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Absolutely silly. The sport needs an infusion of participation, but not via wholesale sweeping rules changes such as these. Just absolute rubbish.
We need to start a petition. Seriously.
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Absolutely silly. The sport needs an infusion of participation, but not via wholesale sweeping rules changes such as these. Just absolute rubbish.
We need to start a petition. Seriously.
We need to start a petition. Seriously.
I concur
http://www.worldrallynews.com/artman...rticle_715.php
Looks like Super2000 might have just been the FIA scaring manufacturers. The FIA just voted today to keep a detuned version of WRCar regulations rather then switch to S2000 (only voted in principal, specific regulations still need to be worked out)
Looks like Super2000 might have just been the FIA scaring manufacturers. The FIA just voted today to keep a detuned version of WRCar regulations rather then switch to S2000 (only voted in principal, specific regulations still need to be worked out)
The FIA World Council has approved the principle of detuning World Rally Cars for the 2006 World Championship. Details will not be resolved until December, but the intention is to reduce costs and attract new manufacturers.
The likelihood is that much of the high technology that has sent car costs soaring will be banned, including hydraulically controlled differentials and the most sophisticated electronics.
Other changes include a reduction in stage distance from a maximum of 400 to 360 kilometres and a ban on flex-service.
A further rule change allows crews which retire on legs one or two to restart subsequent legs. The crew will be penalised five minutes on each stage missed, this to be added to the fastest time of the driver's priority group.
For the first time in its history, the FIA has granted rallying precedence over Formula 1: the calendar outlined two months ago will stand, while the latest changes to the Grand Prix schedule have been rejected.
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The likelihood is that much of the high technology that has sent car costs soaring will be banned, including hydraulically controlled differentials and the most sophisticated electronics.
Other changes include a reduction in stage distance from a maximum of 400 to 360 kilometres and a ban on flex-service.
A further rule change allows crews which retire on legs one or two to restart subsequent legs. The crew will be penalised five minutes on each stage missed, this to be added to the fastest time of the driver's priority group.
For the first time in its history, the FIA has granted rallying precedence over Formula 1: the calendar outlined two months ago will stand, while the latest changes to the Grand Prix schedule have been rejected.
© Copyright worldrallynews.com 2000-2004
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I think they realized the retardedness of the idea of normalizing the engines and transmissions... I mean punkrocksailor was right, you might as well call it nascar at that point. You might as well regulate aero packages so nobody has an uniquely manufactured car. FEH
I think the biggest draw to a series like WRC and even touring cars is that you get to see YOUR car as close as it can be to the actual race car. People want to see the individuality of the companies that make these cars because that makes them unique, and gives them each a distinct look, sound and feel.
WRC teams pick their cars to SELL cars, look at peugeot's move to the 307, they wanted to sell a bigger car to the masses because a 2/3 door compact was impractical for families. A 2 door GC8 and 206 would only appeal to young single buyers, not family people, and that cuts out a large portion of marketshare.
I think by standardizing too much across the board, you're going to get really bland and unexciting cars aka NASCAR, and people won't be cheering for manufacturers as much as they would be for the drivers.
How many NASCAR fans do you know buy a montecarlo or ford tarus because it's in NASCAR? How many people buy an EVO or a STI because it's a rally car?
I think the biggest draw to a series like WRC and even touring cars is that you get to see YOUR car as close as it can be to the actual race car. People want to see the individuality of the companies that make these cars because that makes them unique, and gives them each a distinct look, sound and feel.
WRC teams pick their cars to SELL cars, look at peugeot's move to the 307, they wanted to sell a bigger car to the masses because a 2/3 door compact was impractical for families. A 2 door GC8 and 206 would only appeal to young single buyers, not family people, and that cuts out a large portion of marketshare.
I think by standardizing too much across the board, you're going to get really bland and unexciting cars aka NASCAR, and people won't be cheering for manufacturers as much as they would be for the drivers.
How many NASCAR fans do you know buy a montecarlo or ford tarus because it's in NASCAR? How many people buy an EVO or a STI because it's a rally car?
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