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Old Dec 31, 2004 | 04:24 PM
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the only thing you have to worry about are the head gaskets. 99 is not covered by the extended 100,000 mile warranty.

if I were buying that year, I'd budget some cash for the headgaskets which will most likely fail near 100k.

You may want to check other regions or on iclub/nasioc classifieds for some cars too...9k seems expensive to me, but the demand for them in AZ is low....so I think you could save some cash by purchasing elsewhere.

Also, if I were you want the 99, I would probably demand headgaskets be covered to 100k at least, or simply find an 00-04 within your price range.

Other than that, good choice, great cars, and welcome to the club.

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Old Dec 31, 2004 | 10:33 PM
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hrm, looks like the warranty does cover some of the 99's till 100k.

as I recall, phase I's are DOHC and phase II's are SOHC...but i always get those mixed up so maybe not...DLC should chime in and advise soon

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Old Jan 8, 2005 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by fibuz
hrm, looks like the warranty does cover some of the 99's till 100k.

As I recall, phase I's are DOHC and phase II's are SOHC...but i always get those mixed up so maybe not...DLC should chime in and advise soon
Most Subarus switched to the Phase II engine on 1999. The Legacy is manufactured in the United States, and switched over to the newer engine 1 year later. At some point MY 1999 US Legacys started using Phase II engine blocks with the Phase I DOHC cylinder heads and intake systems. These are so-called 'hybrid" engines. I have a 1999 MY US built Legacy, and I do not know if I have the older style Phase I engine, or a Hybrid Phase II engine block with Phase I DOHC heads.

I have read that there are certain engine block markings that let you know what block your engine is, and also that If you know the date of manufacture of your car, you can tell if it is a Phase I or Phase II block. IIRC, Subaru started using the newer Phase II blocks ~ April 1999 ?

The Phase I engine block cars have a rather high frequency of cylinder head gasket failures, that the newer Phase II engine block did not completely cure, until Subaru adapted a newer revised Cylinder head gasket design.

Hopefully the jist of my post is more or less correct.
Someone help me out here, please ?
Old Jan 8, 2005 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by rfiglia
...What is the reliability on the AWD and tranny systems .I read the reviews on edmunds.com and some people love it and some people have big problems. Just need some opinions from real Subaru owners .. Thanks..
Automatic transmission Subarus use an electronically controlled clutch pack for AWD. Manual transmission Subarus use a "viscous coupling". Both of these systems are true full-time AWD setups. VW/Audi and some of the newer Subaru WRX automatics use what is known as a torsen centre differenial. Many people will tell you that the torsen centre diff is a superior technology, although your older Legacys clutch pack set up is a very nice setup.

One really big advanatge of the Automatic Subarus with the clutch pack is that you can temporarilly disable/enable the AWD setup simply by plugging in / unplugging a fuse in your fuse box.

Understand that with AWD you must keep all four wheels rolling at the same speed. You must frequently rotate your tyres to assure that the faster wearing fronts and the slower wearing rears dont get too far out of tolerance. If you have yor car towed, insist on a Flat bed tow. Ignorance of these simple AWD "rules" is perhaps the #1 source of AWD failures. Weather the hassles of maintenance of an AWD car is worth the advandages of such a setup is a decision that you really have to make for yourself.
Old Jan 8, 2005 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by rfiglia
from the dealership:

WWP-99 Service Campaign - Cooling System Conditioner

Subaru has determined that certain 1999 through 2002 model year 2.5L equipped Subaru vehicles may experience an external coolant leak from the cylinder head gaskets. This is the result of normal relative thermal expansion and contraction variations of engine parts. As a precautionary measure, SOA is recommending that a special conditioner be added to the engine cooling system to prevent leaks from occurring or to correct existing leaks.

Only early Phase II 2.5 liter engines are affected by this campaign. Phase I 2.5 liter engines (some 1999 model year and prior years) are not affected. Countermeasures applied to the manufacturing process for those 2002 and later VINS not affected by this campaign have eliminated the need for this campaign to be performed on those vehicles.
This "cooling system conditioner" is thought to be nothing more than the old "stop leak" goo that anti-freeze manufactures starting pushing years ago. The likelyhood is that using this sludge is going to result in a plugged up heater core. Given the greatly reduced incidence of cylinder head gasket failures in Phase II engines, I think you are most likely better off doing nothing, then using the recommended conditioner.

Last edited by Jonathan; Jan 8, 2005 at 09:44 PM.
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