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Hello everyone , ive been a VW person for 12 years . I have always wanted a Subaru . I have a 1 year old and our 2001 Jetta is way to small , back seat is rediculously small ! (Just sold it today) . I put a deposit on a 99 Outback with cold weather package ,cd , automatic, with 70k miles . This is a one owner car (it was traded back to the dealer) I ran it through car fax ,all OK. I talked the dealer down to 9000.00 (around here on Long Island its a good price) We ran the vin through the service dept . and at 53k the timing belt was done the master cylinder was replaced and engine oil pump / o-ring . Since im buying it from a dealer (North Coast Subaru Glen Cove NY) they are going over the whole car sevice want needs to be done and NYS inspection and giving me a 2 month 20000 mile bumper to bumber warranty . This is our first AWD vechicle . I heard the head gaskets fail on this year . Should I stay away from this year ? Can I expect this car to be reliable and last 5 more years ? How can I tell if the headgasket has been replaced ? What is the reliability on the AWD and tranny systems .I read the reviews on edmunds.com and some people love it and some people have big problems . Just need some opinions from real Subaru owners .. Thanks..
the only thing you have to worry about are the head gaskets. 99 is not covered by the extended 100,000 mile warranty.
if I were buying that year, I'd budget some cash for the headgaskets which will most likely fail near 100k.
You may want to check other regions or on iclub/nasioc classifieds for some cars too...9k seems expensive to me, but the demand for them in AZ is low....so I think you could save some cash by purchasing elsewhere.
Also, if I were you want the 99, I would probably demand headgaskets be covered to 100k at least, or simply find an 00-04 within your price range.
Other than that, good choice, great cars, and welcome to the club.
fibuz
if I were buying that year, I'd budget some cash for the headgaskets which will most likely fail near 100k.
You may want to check other regions or on iclub/nasioc classifieds for some cars too...9k seems expensive to me, but the demand for them in AZ is low....so I think you could save some cash by purchasing elsewhere.
Also, if I were you want the 99, I would probably demand headgaskets be covered to 100k at least, or simply find an 00-04 within your price range.
Other than that, good choice, great cars, and welcome to the club.
fibuz
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im sure most people have seen this
from the dealership:
WWP-99 Service Campaign - Cooling System Conditioner
Subaru has determined that certain 1999 through 2002 model year 2.5L equipped Subaru vehicles may experience an external coolant leak from the cylinder head gaskets. This is the result of normal relative thermal expansion and contraction variations of engine parts. As a precautionary measure, SOA is recommending that a special conditioner be added to the engine cooling system to prevent leaks from occurring or to correct existing leaks.
Only early Phase II 2.5 liter engines are affected by this campaign. Phase I 2.5 liter engines (some 1999 model year and prior years) are not affected. Countermeasures applied to the manufacturing process for those 2002 and later VINS not affected by this campaign have eliminated the need for this campaign to be performed on those vehicles.
In the future, it will be necessary to add Genuine Subaru Cooling System Conditioner to the SUBARU vehicle cooling system whenever the engine coolant is replaced. The updated recommended service procedure as well as intervals for coolant replacement will be added to all applicable service manuals. As a reminder, we will include an update page in the owner notification letters that should be added to the Owner?s Manual and Warranty and Maintenance Booklet. We ask you to keep in mind that replacement of fluids (including Subaru Cooling System Conditioner) during inspection and maintenance services are not covered under warranty.
If the vehicle owner has this Service Program repair performed promptly, Subaru will extend coverage under the Subaru Limited Warranty on the vehicle for cylinder head gasket external coolant leaks to a period of 8 years or 100,000 miles, whichever occurs first. Warranty coverage begins on the date the vehicle was delivered to the first retail purchaser. If the vehicle was used as a demonstrator or company vehicle before being sold at retail, warranty coverage begins on the date the vehicle was first placed in such service. As a further condition for this extended warranty coverage to apply, the vehicle owner must have Genuine Subaru Cooling System Conditioner added to the vehicle at any subsequent cooling system services at the interval specified in the Warranty and Maintenance Booklet under the heading ?Schedule of Inspection and Maintenance Services?.
Dealers will automatically be sent an initial quantity of Genuine Subaru Cooling System Conditioner. Dealer bulletins and affected VIN lists will be mailed to dealers in early February 2004. Owner notification letters are scheduled for mailing in stages.
from the dealership:
WWP-99 Service Campaign - Cooling System Conditioner
Subaru has determined that certain 1999 through 2002 model year 2.5L equipped Subaru vehicles may experience an external coolant leak from the cylinder head gaskets. This is the result of normal relative thermal expansion and contraction variations of engine parts. As a precautionary measure, SOA is recommending that a special conditioner be added to the engine cooling system to prevent leaks from occurring or to correct existing leaks.
Only early Phase II 2.5 liter engines are affected by this campaign. Phase I 2.5 liter engines (some 1999 model year and prior years) are not affected. Countermeasures applied to the manufacturing process for those 2002 and later VINS not affected by this campaign have eliminated the need for this campaign to be performed on those vehicles.
In the future, it will be necessary to add Genuine Subaru Cooling System Conditioner to the SUBARU vehicle cooling system whenever the engine coolant is replaced. The updated recommended service procedure as well as intervals for coolant replacement will be added to all applicable service manuals. As a reminder, we will include an update page in the owner notification letters that should be added to the Owner?s Manual and Warranty and Maintenance Booklet. We ask you to keep in mind that replacement of fluids (including Subaru Cooling System Conditioner) during inspection and maintenance services are not covered under warranty.
If the vehicle owner has this Service Program repair performed promptly, Subaru will extend coverage under the Subaru Limited Warranty on the vehicle for cylinder head gasket external coolant leaks to a period of 8 years or 100,000 miles, whichever occurs first. Warranty coverage begins on the date the vehicle was delivered to the first retail purchaser. If the vehicle was used as a demonstrator or company vehicle before being sold at retail, warranty coverage begins on the date the vehicle was first placed in such service. As a further condition for this extended warranty coverage to apply, the vehicle owner must have Genuine Subaru Cooling System Conditioner added to the vehicle at any subsequent cooling system services at the interval specified in the Warranty and Maintenance Booklet under the heading ?Schedule of Inspection and Maintenance Services?.
Dealers will automatically be sent an initial quantity of Genuine Subaru Cooling System Conditioner. Dealer bulletins and affected VIN lists will be mailed to dealers in early February 2004. Owner notification letters are scheduled for mailing in stages.
hrm, looks like the warranty does cover some of the 99's till 100k.
as I recall, phase I's are DOHC and phase II's are SOHC...but i always get those mixed up so maybe not...DLC should chime in and advise soon
fibuz
as I recall, phase I's are DOHC and phase II's are SOHC...but i always get those mixed up so maybe not...DLC should chime in and advise soon

fibuz
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Car Info: 1999 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - Quick Silver Metallic
Originally Posted by fibuz
hrm, looks like the warranty does cover some of the 99's till 100k.
As I recall, phase I's are DOHC and phase II's are SOHC...but i always get those mixed up so maybe not...DLC should chime in and advise soon
As I recall, phase I's are DOHC and phase II's are SOHC...but i always get those mixed up so maybe not...DLC should chime in and advise soon

I have read that there are certain engine block markings that let you know what block your engine is, and also that If you know the date of manufacture of your car, you can tell if it is a Phase I or Phase II block. IIRC, Subaru started using the newer Phase II blocks ~ April 1999 ?
The Phase I engine block cars have a rather high frequency of cylinder head gasket failures, that the newer Phase II engine block did not completely cure, until Subaru adapted a newer revised Cylinder head gasket design.
Hopefully the jist of my post is more or less correct.
Someone help me out here, please ?
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Originally Posted by rfiglia
...What is the reliability on the AWD and tranny systems .I read the reviews on edmunds.com and some people love it and some people have big problems. Just need some opinions from real Subaru owners .. Thanks..
One really big advanatge of the Automatic Subarus with the clutch pack is that you can temporarilly disable/enable the AWD setup simply by plugging in / unplugging a fuse in your fuse box.
Understand that with AWD you must keep all four wheels rolling at the same speed. You must frequently rotate your tyres to assure that the faster wearing fronts and the slower wearing rears dont get too far out of tolerance. If you have yor car towed, insist on a Flat bed tow. Ignorance of these simple AWD "rules" is perhaps the #1 source of AWD failures. Weather the hassles of maintenance of an AWD car is worth the advandages of such a setup is a decision that you really have to make for yourself.
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Car Info: 1999 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - Quick Silver Metallic
Originally Posted by rfiglia
from the dealership:
WWP-99 Service Campaign - Cooling System Conditioner
Subaru has determined that certain 1999 through 2002 model year 2.5L equipped Subaru vehicles may experience an external coolant leak from the cylinder head gaskets. This is the result of normal relative thermal expansion and contraction variations of engine parts. As a precautionary measure, SOA is recommending that a special conditioner be added to the engine cooling system to prevent leaks from occurring or to correct existing leaks.
Only early Phase II 2.5 liter engines are affected by this campaign. Phase I 2.5 liter engines (some 1999 model year and prior years) are not affected. Countermeasures applied to the manufacturing process for those 2002 and later VINS not affected by this campaign have eliminated the need for this campaign to be performed on those vehicles.
WWP-99 Service Campaign - Cooling System Conditioner
Subaru has determined that certain 1999 through 2002 model year 2.5L equipped Subaru vehicles may experience an external coolant leak from the cylinder head gaskets. This is the result of normal relative thermal expansion and contraction variations of engine parts. As a precautionary measure, SOA is recommending that a special conditioner be added to the engine cooling system to prevent leaks from occurring or to correct existing leaks.
Only early Phase II 2.5 liter engines are affected by this campaign. Phase I 2.5 liter engines (some 1999 model year and prior years) are not affected. Countermeasures applied to the manufacturing process for those 2002 and later VINS not affected by this campaign have eliminated the need for this campaign to be performed on those vehicles.
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