Oh, I think you'll still be eligible for SCCA Club/Pro rally in either the Group 5 or Open divisions. You can have an adjusted displacement of 5100 cc in those classes. Assuming there's a 2L displacement limit for WRC, it shouldn't affect people trying to rally the US STi here. You'd only run into trouble exporting an STi to europe (afaik).

 

The performance, stock, will be amazing. Overall, the car lacks in certain automobiles areas. It's a matter of choice that's all.

"go get a BMW. join the masses of yuppies (and yuppie wanna be's). a car like the US STi is just going to be a great all round car. "

Well, that's a short sighted commentary. It's snobby and yet you call someone a "wanna be"? BMW makes excellent all around cars.
I don't happen to want one. I think the WRX is perfectly fine.
If the STi is under $30k, where it should be, then it may be an option, over $30k is too much. My point is that Subaru should have spent more time on the Impreza/WRX which has brought more life to Subaru as a great seller.
The Sti is an image car, a very nice rough around the edges brawler, automobile. It's in need of some style and refinement.

T

 

umm... under $30k for a car this will prolly be faster in the 1/4 than a corvette, handle just as well, be driven in the snow, rain and dirt, and then carry the FAMILY to the theater, you would except that to be under $30k, jeeeeeez, you are cheep.

Noah

 

Expected ship date for mine is in May - I am first on the waiting list for my local dealer (I was on the list early last month)

Expected production run is 1800 this year.

Cost? Estimated 30K+



I am selling my WRX to build up my down.
http://www.cars.com/search/used/cc/s...&src=&cid=null

 

they are making more then 1800 this year its the normal production ammount for there debue.. I am also on a waiting list for March MUAHHAHA but i dont know if i can come up with the money by then... BUT I MUST FIND A WAY!!!

 

umm... under $30k for a car this will prolly be faster in the 1/4 than a corvette, handle just as well, be driven in the snow, rain and dirt, and then carry the FAMILY to the theater, you would except that to be under $30k, jeeeeeez, you are cheep.
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Faster than a vette? Not overall. Top speed is about HP and aerodynamics which the Sti lacks. 1/4? Sure. But, I don't live my life 1/4 mile at a time.
There are many cars that handle extremely well. The Focus SVT is one example of a car that actually handles better than the WRX but with less power. The Focus RS spanks the WRX in Europe and comes with a kickass stereo, powered sunroof, and leather for LESS money. And as far as carrying the family to the theater, sure, if it's a small family made of small people. That back seat in this car is tiny. Remember, it's a sub compact.
I'm cheap? No, my friend, it is Subaru that is cheap. I know my cars and I know what is available in this price range. I'm here to tell you that the WRX lacks in amenities. The STI even more so. Heck, they don't even include a stereo for that price in the STi. And, they try to wash that away by saying they are trying to save weight. Ha! Try a smaller bat wing on the rear.

No need to be insulting sir. I am merely stating my viewpoint. It's my money and I can spend it as I see fit.

T

 

point taken, although i disagree



Noah

 

I am only passing on the info the dealer said. Orders placed this month - the build takes place over the next few, and the first shipment was expected in May.


Sooner is not better for me!!! I am sporting a chub for this car, but need to arrange the finances.

 

point taken, although i disagree
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What that I'm cheap? Just kidding.

Don't get me wrong, I think the STi is kick ***. It's just not for me in that price range. I certainly wouldn't knock anyone who is willing to pay the price to have one though. Hopefully dealers won't gouge customers, but, you know it'll happen. The nice thing about having the Evo available is that maybe having both of these cars available will help keep the price within reason.

When the 350Z came out, dealers tried to mark them up but Nissan put a stop to that. I applaud Nissan for that decision. Subaru should follow that lead and tell dealers to keep the price at MSRP.

T

 

Let's see 5-7K over the WRX for:
Strengthened 2.5L motor.
STI Suspension
WRC Style Rear wing (functional)
STI Fog Light Covers
17" Gold BBS Rims
Performance Tires
Larger Turbo
STI Injectors
6 Speed Close Ratio Manual Transmission (not the "glass transmission" out of the WRX)
DCCD
Larger Exhaust (and did you notice in the powertrain pictures that there were still 3 cats to remove
Trick Seats (Do they handle a racing harness like the EVO?)
Larger Intercooler
Intercooler Water Sprayer
HID Headlights
etc.

I'm sorry my friend but that is a steal. If you tried to do the same in your WRX you would be way over the additional cost.

Sure there is already a great aftermarket for the EVO engine, but unfortunately Mitsubishi went the traditional way of the American import market - water it down. Mod for mod, the STI is going to kill the EVO (the EVO already runs 19PSI to obtain their 271HP).

And my bet is on the STI beating the Vette (although not the Z06 bad boy).

 

yeah the above post does put a closing on the price debate... I think it's gonna be a fair price a tad over 30...

I really love this car, can't wait to read more about it, and see them in person.

 

In terms of return for the dollar when comparing the STi to the WRX, I agree it's a great value. However, we'll wait and see how much dealers will gouge.

I doubt the STi will be "around $30,000" or even anywhere near $30,000.
If the STi is near the $30k mark, then Subaru will have to lower the WRX price. It seems as though they would have to or they should make a lot of the extra cost options, standard.
If the price of a fully loaded WRX with sunroof, heated seats, heated mirrors, and the audio stuff exceeds $26,000, then Subaru is out of their minds considering that the EVO will cost a bit under $29,000. If you add the outrageous 17" wheel option that brings a WRX to about $28,500, and that's much too close to a $30k STi and the Mits EVO. I don't think the STi will be priced that low.
Subaru bean counters have been hitting the Saki a bit hard.

T

 

I am new to the WRX world (don't have one). I know info is sketchy on the 04 STi, But what do you think/know are going to be the major differences between our U.S. spec units and rest of world? Also what is the cost of the STi in U.S. dollars in other markets compared to std. WRX?

I know some of this info. may be avalable in other forums but thought this might be the place to ask.

Thanks in advance

 

Since the price is TBD, that brings up a good question. How much would subaru fans pay for one. This is the right forum vote now:
https://www.i-club.com/forums/showth...&threadid=5271

 

Anyone want to guess how much boost their using to get 300 HP from a 2.5 Liter? If they are only running 15 PSI, this car is going to by a monster when a few mods are thrown at it.