2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STi Announced!
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The Evo is limited production and in the rest of the world market the Evo will hang with the STi quite well. Mits is testing the water in the North American market. Sure, it's a set back but not a big defeat. Mits has quite a bit of cash to put out if need be and their technical prowess is evident. Remember, they brought AWD, 4 cylinder turbo's to the North American market AND twin turbo V6's with AWD.
As nice as the power specs are for the Sti, I'll have to pass. I can't see spending over $30k for a subcompact Subaru, no way. There is too little to justify it's cost. I'll take the WRX in silver and add my own leather.
With the new WRX coming in March, there should be some excellent deals on all the left over 03 models. I went to a dealer this past weekend who had about 15 WRX's in stock. No wonder Suby is offering low financing on the WRX.
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As nice as the power specs are for the Sti, I'll have to pass. I can't see spending over $30k for a subcompact Subaru, no way. There is too little to justify it's cost. I'll take the WRX in silver and add my own leather.
With the new WRX coming in March, there should be some excellent deals on all the left over 03 models. I went to a dealer this past weekend who had about 15 WRX's in stock. No wonder Suby is offering low financing on the WRX.
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The 280 HP rating on the JDM 2.0 sti was very UNDER rated - so realistically the 2.5 L USA 300 hp figure is just becuase they did not want to come in with a 250 - 260 HP figure like the STI type UK when factored for 91 octane fuel
Realistically - with a stepped up tune - this same new 2.5 L engine should be good for 350 hp just by raising the timing and leaning it out alla the JDM tune that my STI V8 ecu had
As for any increase in weight - the weight would be the same on the 2.5 L - its just prob the same STI 2.0 blosck with a stroker crank and slightly bigger pistons
First thing I'm going to do is order me a 2.5 short block from my dealer when these things come out
BTW - does ANYONE know - WHAT the release date is on this sucker - PLEASE !
Realistically - with a stepped up tune - this same new 2.5 L engine should be good for 350 hp just by raising the timing and leaning it out alla the JDM tune that my STI V8 ecu had
As for any increase in weight - the weight would be the same on the 2.5 L - its just prob the same STI 2.0 blosck with a stroker crank and slightly bigger pistons
First thing I'm going to do is order me a 2.5 short block from my dealer when these things come out
BTW - does ANYONE know - WHAT the release date is on this sucker - PLEASE !
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I can wait to see what my current set up will do with the 2.5 L short block - - I bet it gets my GT30 turbo spolling much harder - much lower and picks up another 50 HP on top
Thank GOD I read this tonight - I was going to plunk down a deposit on a new evo tomorrow - NOW it looks like I'll stick with the '02 WRX for another year to see what it will feel like with the 2.5 block
Thank GOD I read this tonight - I was going to plunk down a deposit on a new evo tomorrow - NOW it looks like I'll stick with the '02 WRX for another year to see what it will feel like with the 2.5 block
EVO's 4G63 motor is well known to DSM guys and the aftermarket parts are far more available than Subaru aftermarkets... it will be a good competition.
plus EVO is LowEmissionVehicle...the exhaust system must be very restrictive. Once the exhaust is replaced to aftermarket, it must make a lot of power. I won't be surprise to see 300ps just changing the exhaust because stock EVO dyno over 300 in Japan.
plus EVO is LowEmissionVehicle...the exhaust system must be very restrictive. Once the exhaust is replaced to aftermarket, it must make a lot of power. I won't be surprise to see 300ps just changing the exhaust because stock EVO dyno over 300 in Japan.
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Originally posted by go go go
EVO's 4G63 motor is well known to DSM guys and the aftermarket parts are far more available than Subaru aftermarkets... it will be a good competition.
plus EVO is LowEmissionVehicle...the exhaust system must be very restrictive. Once the exhaust is replaced to aftermarket, it must make a lot of power. I won't be surprise to see 300ps just changing the exhaust because stock EVO dyno over 300 in Japan.
EVO's 4G63 motor is well known to DSM guys and the aftermarket parts are far more available than Subaru aftermarkets... it will be a good competition.
plus EVO is LowEmissionVehicle...the exhaust system must be very restrictive. Once the exhaust is replaced to aftermarket, it must make a lot of power. I won't be surprise to see 300ps just changing the exhaust because stock EVO dyno over 300 in Japan.
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About weight: The weight difference between a 2.5 block and a 2.0 block is negligable to none, more like 10lbs or so not 100lbs, even with a semi-closed block. What WILL make up for extra weight is the transmition.
I am in complete shock that subaru went all out like this! Im going to the dealership tommorow for a couple things already, and im gonna spend alot of time talking with all of them of course... No deposits for me though
Im more amazed at the stereo and DCCD. Happily amazed of course, i would put my own stereo from my impreza now in it anyway (like that would ever happen...) The EJ25 sounds like it is based off of the JDM AVCS EJ25's that I have been trying to learn more about for awhile now... I bet we will know plenty soon enough!
The applications for this car will also be amazing... At any track, auto-x/rally/road course/1/4 mile, it is gonna be just a site to see...
I am in complete shock that subaru went all out like this! Im going to the dealership tommorow for a couple things already, and im gonna spend alot of time talking with all of them of course... No deposits for me though
Im more amazed at the stereo and DCCD. Happily amazed of course, i would put my own stereo from my impreza now in it anyway (like that would ever happen...) The EJ25 sounds like it is based off of the JDM AVCS EJ25's that I have been trying to learn more about for awhile now... I bet we will know plenty soon enough!
The applications for this car will also be amazing... At any track, auto-x/rally/road course/1/4 mile, it is gonna be just a site to see...
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Remember, they brought AWD, 4 cylinder turbo's to the North American market AND twin turbo V6's with AWD
.....arent both of those cars gone? LOL not flaming or anything.
Actually I had a GST that I loved dearly until I had to replace the engine twice, completley unmoded. I think I might be jaded. But I'm excited to see the EVO over here also. I'd drive it.
I think it will offer good competition for Subie wich will in turn keep them doing exciting things like they just did.
.....arent both of those cars gone? LOL not flaming or anything.
Actually I had a GST that I loved dearly until I had to replace the engine twice, completley unmoded. I think I might be jaded. But I'm excited to see the EVO over here also. I'd drive it.
I think it will offer good competition for Subie wich will in turn keep them doing exciting things like they just did.
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i agree the EVo is nothing to stick your nose up at. i really dig the EVO, but subaru just turned up the heat. gas is a BIG issue in cali, and even with a fmic and ic sprayer, the **** we use for gas will sap power from the EVO.
now the same applies to the STi, but the STi has a half a liter more, and this motor is built for a turbo. mod for mod, the STi will probably beat up on the EVO. thinking about the extra torque down low alone just makes me get a boner. i was always kinda disappointed about the lag, and this is a welcome sight. if you read the advanced drive articles about the EVO, power doesnt hit until 3500 rpm. on 2.5 RS w turbos (not that this car will be the same motor, but for comparison sake...) the extra torque allows the turbo to spool VERY quicky. the loss of compression will be noticable, but not THAT much.
man. this is really exciting. i know some cant figure to spend that much on a Subaru, but this car will kick most cars ***. cars WAY more expensive. go get a BMW. join the masses of yuppies (and yuppie wanna be's). a car like the US STi is just going to be a great all round car.
and just think of the tuning potential!!! AAAAHHHH. adjustable dif, the STi interior. i REALLY need to work the wife to put a deposite down....
josh
i agree the EVo is nothing to stick your nose up at. i really dig the EVO, but subaru just turned up the heat. gas is a BIG issue in cali, and even with a fmic and ic sprayer, the **** we use for gas will sap power from the EVO.
now the same applies to the STi, but the STi has a half a liter more, and this motor is built for a turbo. mod for mod, the STi will probably beat up on the EVO. thinking about the extra torque down low alone just makes me get a boner. i was always kinda disappointed about the lag, and this is a welcome sight. if you read the advanced drive articles about the EVO, power doesnt hit until 3500 rpm. on 2.5 RS w turbos (not that this car will be the same motor, but for comparison sake...) the extra torque allows the turbo to spool VERY quicky. the loss of compression will be noticable, but not THAT much.
man. this is really exciting. i know some cant figure to spend that much on a Subaru, but this car will kick most cars ***. cars WAY more expensive. go get a BMW. join the masses of yuppies (and yuppie wanna be's). a car like the US STi is just going to be a great all round car.
and just think of the tuning potential!!! AAAAHHHH. adjustable dif, the STi interior. i REALLY need to work the wife to put a deposite down....
josh
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Originally posted by Alfriedesq
Not true - I just heard today also that the evo VIII uses a totally new - REVERESE spinning turbo and will need a totally new exhuast manifold set up to use any of the traditional dsm style turbos
Not true - I just heard today also that the evo VIII uses a totally new - REVERESE spinning turbo and will need a totally new exhuast manifold set up to use any of the traditional dsm style turbos
BTW, AFAIK there isn't, strictly speaking, a 300HP limit on WRC cars. There is a restrictor plate on the turbo inlet of some specific size (I can't remember off the top of my head). This ends up limiting the power the 2L engines can make to around 300HP but with much more torque.