what do you guys think of the p.d.e. up pipe and down pipe? i'm gonna get the pipes before i get my boost controller thats why. just needed your guy's opinoin...

 

They ROCK! I gotz dem! They get the "Dan mushroom stamp of approval"!

 

I like the up-pipe, .... but Not the downpipe. Alot of these guys are using the downpipe without any problems or anything, ... I just Really don't like the design, and would never pay money for it or recomend it. My opinion of course.

 

I agree. I want a FULL bellmouth for the price you pay. Or at
least a divorced wastegate design.

 

The up and downpipes have given me nothing but smiles.

I will say that the one Richie (Palaban) was looking at, bosal I think, looked pretty nice, too.

 

But those bosal ones are pretty elusive. So are Scooby Sports. Now Scoby Sport is the one to have IMO.

 

Love my PDE uppipe (thanks Jayson!).

Didn't like the design of the downpipe too much. I love the TurboXS unit in my car.
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What about the new "Helix" (i think thats the name) downpipe ? anybody have any opinions ?

 

I was thinking about the helix, until I heard that they were having some manufacturing problems. Something about the fitment wasn't good. They say future dps will be better, but we'll see. I'll probably get the PDE or the Perrin.

 

like has been said, ... I just felt like saying it again, .... the PDE downpipe, ... or ANY downpipe designed like that, is, IMO, a total waste of your money. but do what you like.

the TurboXS bellhousing, or something like the BPM twin dump, is the best and only way to go. WHY spend the same amount of money on something that doesn't even compare???

 

Aren't you being a little over exuberant? You act as if the PDE doesn't have any positive effects. I agree the PDE may not be as good as say the BPM, but you can't just buy the BPM downpipe without buying the whole system. The PDE opening is approximately 3 and 1/4 diameter and eliminates 2 cats. Compared to a maximum of 4 inches. But lets get real the PDE does have positive aspects, it adds a considerable amount of power, is easy to get, it is well constructed, mates up well to most any cat-back system, doesn't throw a CEL, and is cheap. I know there are better ones out there for the same price and I recommend those more, but they too have their drawbacks.

For example, BPM you have to buy the whole Turboback, not a good choice for someone who has shelled out $600 for a cat-back. (me)

TurboXS, you may need to have some custom fabrication done if you don't also buy their whole system and it throws a CEL. (Mike)

Scooby sport. Just plain hard to find.

Etc, etc...

BTW, how many PDE downpipe owners here are unsatisfied? I'm not convinced that is was a "total waste of money"

 

P.D.E worked really hard on the "not throwing a CEL" and did a great job. I think I saw some post by them one time that said people wanted "no CELs over a larger bellmouth thing". Plus they are a great bunch of guys. They put an EGT bung on my up-pipe for free! (I messed it up, but still) If I had to buy up & down-pipes again, I'd get the P.D.E pipes!

v-rod waited along time to get up & down pipes. He wanted to get "better" ones than the P.D.E's. But then just got the P.D.E pipes, what does he have to say about them?

 

I've been trying to decide between the Helix and the Bosal for months. I ended up going with the Helix. It was only $40 more ($350 shipped) and replaces 2 cats. A 'full' downpipe just seemed to make more sense in the long term.

There was an issue about fitment, but Gruppe-S has addressed the problem. Some of the mounting brackets may need trimming. The remaining downpipes in stock have already been fixed. I'll post up a review after Infek and I get it installed with the Gruppe-S uppipe.

I know it's just a pipe, but the Helix sure is pretty.

 

Got pictures?

 

http://www.gruppe-s.com/Specials/christmas.htm

Sorry, I don't have a place to host the pics. You can click on the small pic in the description for a more detailed one.