pe1820 on sti?
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I'm bumping this thread because I'm trying to find info on these turbos in an STi, ie. what is a safe boost for this engine, RPM boost comes on, etc? Is 19-20PSi with these turbos too high for the stock engine?
Also I'll throw in some other turbo options:
http://www.boostplanet.com/product3.htm
Kong-PE1818
Also I'll throw in some other turbo options:
http://www.boostplanet.com/product3.htm
Kong-PE1818
Last edited by silentbob343; Apr 2, 2005 at 11:32 PM.
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if you bought the turbo already you'll be happy with it.. if not just get a 20g, fp green or a deadboly sz49 turbo for the same price or less..
on my old set up pe1820 turbo, pe 850cc injectors, big maf, perrin fmic and all supporting mods i was able to get 337whp/363wtq @ 20psi on pump gas.. thats also with a qtp cut out exhaust.. my best time was 12.2@112 semi gutted, qtp open, 1/4 gas (long island drag way) and 12.4@110 full interior, qtp closed, 1/4 gas (englishtown) pe1820 is an awesome turbo.. alot of low end and mid range power.. top end is not a killer but very decent.. full boost hits around 3400-3600rpm on 4th gear.. anyways long time ago i did a test run on an 03 evo with hks cams, cat delete, exhaust, injectors, intake, reflash and fuel pump with did 3 runs from a roll from 60-1**mph.. i won 3x by a car lenght.. but honestly get the 20g turbo, fp green or sz49 turbo you will get more whp and be more happy with the results.. good luck
by the way my new set up - DEADBOLT SZ55 turbo with external wastegate!
vincent
on my old set up pe1820 turbo, pe 850cc injectors, big maf, perrin fmic and all supporting mods i was able to get 337whp/363wtq @ 20psi on pump gas.. thats also with a qtp cut out exhaust.. my best time was 12.2@112 semi gutted, qtp open, 1/4 gas (long island drag way) and 12.4@110 full interior, qtp closed, 1/4 gas (englishtown) pe1820 is an awesome turbo.. alot of low end and mid range power.. top end is not a killer but very decent.. full boost hits around 3400-3600rpm on 4th gear.. anyways long time ago i did a test run on an 03 evo with hks cams, cat delete, exhaust, injectors, intake, reflash and fuel pump with did 3 runs from a roll from 60-1**mph.. i won 3x by a car lenght.. but honestly get the 20g turbo, fp green or sz49 turbo you will get more whp and be more happy with the results.. good luck
by the way my new set up - DEADBOLT SZ55 turbo with external wastegate!
vincent
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1WCKDSTI,
thanks for the reply! . i'm looking for a good all round reliable bolt on turbo and 20g seems to be what a lot of people are going with. i read the 20g will give about 20+whp more than the 1820 on the top end. btw, did you ever run 100 octane on your old set up and what em are you using?
post up the results when the new turbo goes in!
ed
thanks for the reply! . i'm looking for a good all round reliable bolt on turbo and 20g seems to be what a lot of people are going with. i read the 20g will give about 20+whp more than the 1820 on the top end. btw, did you ever run 100 octane on your old set up and what em are you using?
post up the results when the new turbo goes in!
ed
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The SZ49 and FP green seem to be almost the same. How does the 20G compare? Are you talking about the TD05-20G? Deadbolt also sells a TD06-20G which is very simiolar to the FP Green except that the FP uses a TD06H. What is the difference between the two turbines?
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yes i'm talking about the zilla 20g-td06(44lb/min) flow.. alot of people seems to like it on street and track.. it should net you around 330-350whp or more on pump gas.. the deadbolt sz49 & fp green has the same set up (49lb/min) flow with the td06h exhaust turbine.. these turbos will net you around 360whp-375whp or more on pump gas..
i haven't run my pe1820 turbo with race gas.. i wanted too but it's too late now.. i can't wait for my new set up SZ55 turbo + external wastegate! i'm also using UTEC as my EM.. take care
i haven't run my pe1820 turbo with race gas.. i wanted too but it's too late now.. i can't wait for my new set up SZ55 turbo + external wastegate! i'm also using UTEC as my EM.. take care
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Well I just got a response from DeadBolt and the there isn't much difference between the PE1818 and the 18G. The 1818 is ball bearing and will spool quicker and the 18G has a bit more top end power.
I guess my next question is how the 1820 compares in spool up and top-end to the 18G? Much like the question of the first poster.
1WCKDSTI
When does boost come on with the TD06-20G and FP green/SZ49?
I guess my next question is how the 1820 compares in spool up and top-end to the 18G? Much like the question of the first poster.
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When does boost come on with the TD06-20G and FP green/SZ49?
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here's a turbo chart that should help you.. as you can see a pe1820 turbo flows alittle more than the 18g turbo.. as for the 20g turbo it flows alittle more than the pe1820 turbo.. hope this helps..
========= 422 CFM max flow for a 2 Liter at .85 VE pressure ratio 2.0 (14.7 PSI) 7000 RPM =======
IHI VF 23 ------------- 423 CFM at 14.7 PSI
FP STOCK HYBRID -- 430 CFM at 14.7 PSI
IHI VF-30 ------------- 435 CFM at 14.7 PSI
SR 30 ----------------- 435 CFM at 14.7 PSI
IHI VF-22 ------------ 440 CFM at 14.7 PSI
T04E 40 trim -------- 460 CFM at 14.7 PSI
========= 464 CFM max flow for a 2.2 Liter at .85 VE pressure ratio 2.0 (14.7 PSI) 7000 rpm =======
PE1818 -------------- 490 CFM at 14.7 PSI
Small 16G ------------ 505 CFM at 14.7 PSI
ION Spec (stg 0) --- 525 CFM at 14.7 PSI
========= 526 CFM max flow for a 2.5 Liter at .85 VE pressure ratio 2.0 (14.7 PSI) 7000 RPM =======
Large 16G ----------- 550 CFM at 14.7 PSI
SR 40 ----------------- 595 CFM at 14.7 PSI
18G ------------------- 600 CFM at 14.7 PSI
PE 1820 -------------- 630 CFM at 14.7 PSI
20G ------------------ 650 CFM at 14.7 PSI
SR 50 ---------------- 710 CFM at 14.7 PSI
GT-30 ---------------- 725 CFM at 14.7 PSI
60-1 ----------------- 725 CFM at 14.7 PSI
GT-35R -------------- 820 CFM at 14.7 PSI
T72 ------------------ 920 CFM at 14.7 PSI <--- Note you would have to spin a 2.0 L engine at about 14,000 rpm to flow this much air.
IHI VF 25 ----------- 395 CFM at 18 PSI
IHI VF 26 ----------- 400 CFM at 18 PSI
T3 60 trim ---------- 410 CFM at 20 PSI
IHI VF 27 ----------- 420 CFM at 18 PSI
IHI VF 24/28/29 -- 425 CFM at 18 PSI
IHI VF 23 ----------- 430 CFM at 18 PSI
IHI VF-30 ----------- 460 CFM at 18.0 PSI
AVO 320HP -------- 465 CFM at 17.5 PSI
T04E 40 trim ------ 465 CFM at 22 PSI
FP STOCK HYBRID- 490 CFM at 18.0 PSI
IHI VF-22 ---------- 490 CFM at 18.0 PSI
SR 30 --------------- 490 CFM at 22 PSI
Small 16G ---------- 490 CFM at 22 PSI
ION Spec (stg 0) - 500 CFM at 19 PSI
PE1818 ------------ 515 CFM at 22 PSI
Large 16G --------- 520 CFM at 22 PSI
========= 526 CFM max flow for a 2 Liter at .85 VE pressure ratio 2.5 (22 PSI) 7000 rpm =======
========= 578 CFM max flow for a 2.2 Liter at .85 VE pressure ratio 2.5 (22 PSI) 7000 rpm =======
HKS GT2835 ------- 580 CFM at 22 PSI 400 hp
MRT 400 ------------ 580 CFM at 16 PSI
AVO 400HP -------- 580 CFM at 17.5 PSI
MRT 450 ------------ 650 CFM at 19 PSI
AVO 450HP -------- 650 CFM at 20.0 PSI
SR 40 ---------------- 650 CFM at 22 PSI
========= 658 CFM max flow for a 2.5 Liter at .85 VE pressure ratio 2.5 (22 PSI) 7000 rpm =======
HKS GT3037 ------ 670 CFM at 22 PSI 460 hp
PE 1820 ----------- 680 CFM at 22 PSI
20G ---------------- 695 CFM at 20.0 PSI
HKS GT3040 ----- 710 CFM at 22 PSI 490 hp
AVO 500HP ------ 770 CFM at 22 PSI
SR 50 ------------- 770 CFM at 22 PSI
GT-30 ------------- 790 CFM at 22 PSI
60-1 --------------- 800 CFM at 22 PSI
HKS GT3240 ----- 830 CFM at 22 PSI 570 hp
GT-35R ----------- 880 CFM at 22 PSI
T72 --------------- 1000 CFM at 22 PSI <--- note you would have to run a 2.0 L engine at >40 PSI boost to flow this much air
Conversions used where there was control over conversion factors:
1 HP approx equals 1.45 CFM
1 CFM approx equals 0.0745 lb of air/min
0.108 Lb/min approx equals 1 hp
1 Meter cubed/sec = 35.314 CFS = 2118.867 CFM
1 KG/sec = 132 lbs/min approx equals 1771.812 CFM
power coversions:
1 PS = 0.9859 HP = 75 Kgf m/sec
1.3405 HP = 1 KW
1 HP = 746 watts
========= 422 CFM max flow for a 2 Liter at .85 VE pressure ratio 2.0 (14.7 PSI) 7000 RPM =======
IHI VF 23 ------------- 423 CFM at 14.7 PSI
FP STOCK HYBRID -- 430 CFM at 14.7 PSI
IHI VF-30 ------------- 435 CFM at 14.7 PSI
SR 30 ----------------- 435 CFM at 14.7 PSI
IHI VF-22 ------------ 440 CFM at 14.7 PSI
T04E 40 trim -------- 460 CFM at 14.7 PSI
========= 464 CFM max flow for a 2.2 Liter at .85 VE pressure ratio 2.0 (14.7 PSI) 7000 rpm =======
PE1818 -------------- 490 CFM at 14.7 PSI
Small 16G ------------ 505 CFM at 14.7 PSI
ION Spec (stg 0) --- 525 CFM at 14.7 PSI
========= 526 CFM max flow for a 2.5 Liter at .85 VE pressure ratio 2.0 (14.7 PSI) 7000 RPM =======
Large 16G ----------- 550 CFM at 14.7 PSI
SR 40 ----------------- 595 CFM at 14.7 PSI
18G ------------------- 600 CFM at 14.7 PSI
PE 1820 -------------- 630 CFM at 14.7 PSI
20G ------------------ 650 CFM at 14.7 PSI
SR 50 ---------------- 710 CFM at 14.7 PSI
GT-30 ---------------- 725 CFM at 14.7 PSI
60-1 ----------------- 725 CFM at 14.7 PSI
GT-35R -------------- 820 CFM at 14.7 PSI
T72 ------------------ 920 CFM at 14.7 PSI <--- Note you would have to spin a 2.0 L engine at about 14,000 rpm to flow this much air.
IHI VF 25 ----------- 395 CFM at 18 PSI
IHI VF 26 ----------- 400 CFM at 18 PSI
T3 60 trim ---------- 410 CFM at 20 PSI
IHI VF 27 ----------- 420 CFM at 18 PSI
IHI VF 24/28/29 -- 425 CFM at 18 PSI
IHI VF 23 ----------- 430 CFM at 18 PSI
IHI VF-30 ----------- 460 CFM at 18.0 PSI
AVO 320HP -------- 465 CFM at 17.5 PSI
T04E 40 trim ------ 465 CFM at 22 PSI
FP STOCK HYBRID- 490 CFM at 18.0 PSI
IHI VF-22 ---------- 490 CFM at 18.0 PSI
SR 30 --------------- 490 CFM at 22 PSI
Small 16G ---------- 490 CFM at 22 PSI
ION Spec (stg 0) - 500 CFM at 19 PSI
PE1818 ------------ 515 CFM at 22 PSI
Large 16G --------- 520 CFM at 22 PSI
========= 526 CFM max flow for a 2 Liter at .85 VE pressure ratio 2.5 (22 PSI) 7000 rpm =======
========= 578 CFM max flow for a 2.2 Liter at .85 VE pressure ratio 2.5 (22 PSI) 7000 rpm =======
HKS GT2835 ------- 580 CFM at 22 PSI 400 hp
MRT 400 ------------ 580 CFM at 16 PSI
AVO 400HP -------- 580 CFM at 17.5 PSI
MRT 450 ------------ 650 CFM at 19 PSI
AVO 450HP -------- 650 CFM at 20.0 PSI
SR 40 ---------------- 650 CFM at 22 PSI
========= 658 CFM max flow for a 2.5 Liter at .85 VE pressure ratio 2.5 (22 PSI) 7000 rpm =======
HKS GT3037 ------ 670 CFM at 22 PSI 460 hp
PE 1820 ----------- 680 CFM at 22 PSI
20G ---------------- 695 CFM at 20.0 PSI
HKS GT3040 ----- 710 CFM at 22 PSI 490 hp
AVO 500HP ------ 770 CFM at 22 PSI
SR 50 ------------- 770 CFM at 22 PSI
GT-30 ------------- 790 CFM at 22 PSI
60-1 --------------- 800 CFM at 22 PSI
HKS GT3240 ----- 830 CFM at 22 PSI 570 hp
GT-35R ----------- 880 CFM at 22 PSI
T72 --------------- 1000 CFM at 22 PSI <--- note you would have to run a 2.0 L engine at >40 PSI boost to flow this much air
Conversions used where there was control over conversion factors:
1 HP approx equals 1.45 CFM
1 CFM approx equals 0.0745 lb of air/min
0.108 Lb/min approx equals 1 hp
1 Meter cubed/sec = 35.314 CFS = 2118.867 CFM
1 KG/sec = 132 lbs/min approx equals 1771.812 CFM
power coversions:
1 PS = 0.9859 HP = 75 Kgf m/sec
1.3405 HP = 1 KW
1 HP = 746 watts
Last edited by 1WCKDSTI; Apr 3, 2005 at 06:17 PM.
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Jerry from deadbolt said that the TD05 and PE1818 are too small for the 2.5 STi engine. Mainly because, "the KONG uses the #18 turbine housing which is too small for the 2.5L (The #18 housing is the same one used on the VF39 which causes creep problems.) The TD05H turbine is also too small to efficiently allow air to escape from the turbine housing."
I was under the belief that only the P17 housing caused boost creep and the newer P18 IHI turbos didn't have that problem.
I was under the belief that only the P17 housing caused boost creep and the newer P18 IHI turbos didn't have that problem.
Last edited by silentbob343; Apr 5, 2005 at 04:08 AM.
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1WCKDSTI- Good to see your review on the 1820 on the 2.5L. was your 1820 a new style or old style? what spring did you have your WG loaded to? Also, who did your tune?
I know its not the largest for the 2.5L nor 2.0L blocks but im sure it would make a very fun ride in either displacement. I know so from experience on my JDM v7 setup.
Stock USDM Sti's dyno around the 250whp mark..jumping to 337whp is definitely a kick in the pants and plenty of power to beat plenty of cars on the road
I know its not the largest for the 2.5L nor 2.0L blocks but im sure it would make a very fun ride in either displacement. I know so from experience on my JDM v7 setup.
Stock USDM Sti's dyno around the 250whp mark..jumping to 337whp is definitely a kick in the pants and plenty of power to beat plenty of cars on the road
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