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Take a look at this one. Put it on my 02 from Vivid Racing. Looks and sounds great
Vivid Racing is proud to introduce B&B Performance Exhaust Systems for your 2002-2004 WRX/STI.
Since 1985 B&B Performance Exhaust has designed, tested and manufactured the highest quality stainless steel headers and exhaust systems available. B&B's experience has lead to evolved products that fit and sound as well as they perform, while able to withstand the harsh automotive environment.
Founded by Billy Boat, professional racecar driver and third generation master fabricator, B&B Performance Exhaust got its start as specialists in Porsche 911 performance exhaust systems, oil coolers and intercoolers. The name "Tri-Flo" originated from the unique 3-into-1 Porsche header developed by Billy, which remains the leading and most imitated header in the Porsche market.
The Subaru WRX/STI Turbo Back Exhaust system is now available. Full 3" 304 stainless steel, this system is designed how a turbo cars exhaust should be. Using a split collector to seperate the wastegate and turbine gases, unlike other manufacturers who use a bellmouth which causes to much turbulence and unefficient air flow. The downpipe also has 1/2 thick flanges and uses a flex joint to keep the small movements in the system during driving from not harming the car. The center muffler section uses a resonator to get that deep racing sound that is signature to B&B Exhaust systems. The rear muffler is made in house unlike other manufacturers, it is designed to provide the correct amount of flow, resonation, and pressure a turbo car should have. The rear double walled polished tips are 3" each and are welded on. This entire catless setup for your 2002-2004 WRX/STI provides a great sound and power increase of about 25 horsepower.
Vivid Racing is proud to introduce B&B Performance Exhaust Systems for your 2002-2004 WRX/STI.
Since 1985 B&B Performance Exhaust has designed, tested and manufactured the highest quality stainless steel headers and exhaust systems available. B&B's experience has lead to evolved products that fit and sound as well as they perform, while able to withstand the harsh automotive environment.
Founded by Billy Boat, professional racecar driver and third generation master fabricator, B&B Performance Exhaust got its start as specialists in Porsche 911 performance exhaust systems, oil coolers and intercoolers. The name "Tri-Flo" originated from the unique 3-into-1 Porsche header developed by Billy, which remains the leading and most imitated header in the Porsche market.
The Subaru WRX/STI Turbo Back Exhaust system is now available. Full 3" 304 stainless steel, this system is designed how a turbo cars exhaust should be. Using a split collector to seperate the wastegate and turbine gases, unlike other manufacturers who use a bellmouth which causes to much turbulence and unefficient air flow. The downpipe also has 1/2 thick flanges and uses a flex joint to keep the small movements in the system during driving from not harming the car. The center muffler section uses a resonator to get that deep racing sound that is signature to B&B Exhaust systems. The rear muffler is made in house unlike other manufacturers, it is designed to provide the correct amount of flow, resonation, and pressure a turbo car should have. The rear double walled polished tips are 3" each and are welded on. This entire catless setup for your 2002-2004 WRX/STI provides a great sound and power increase of about 25 horsepower.
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Most of what is in the US is infact the more desierable H&S stuff. Daddys sport compact and rallyperformance are the two main shops I know of to get them. Either that or you can order direct from H&S. I did just that, I got my cat back two days later from the UK.
This is just my .02, but stay away from the janspeed stuff.
This is just my .02, but stay away from the janspeed stuff.
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Originally posted by bone324
Who cares? If you plan on keeping your WRX for 25 years then go for it. Vishnu could probably gaurantee theirs for 25 years also, but that's ridiculous. The fact is, almost any stainless steel exhaust from a reputable manufacturer is most likely going to outlive the car. The uglyness doesn't make it any better, just uglier. The scoobysport is fine, but for the money it should look better.
Who cares? If you plan on keeping your WRX for 25 years then go for it. Vishnu could probably gaurantee theirs for 25 years also, but that's ridiculous. The fact is, almost any stainless steel exhaust from a reputable manufacturer is most likely going to outlive the car. The uglyness doesn't make it any better, just uglier. The scoobysport is fine, but for the money it should look better.
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Yeah and ScoobySport owners are also getting ripped off when they buy those exhausts. When it comes to welding, LOOKS has A LOT to do with performance. Its the difference between a good weld and a bad weld, just by looking at it. Just cuz the welds are gigantic and nasty looking doesnt mean it strong...
There are MANY exhausts out there with questionable build quality and more than questionable welds. That is why I do not care to buy many of these exhausts. I make my own or have em custom built. ONLY exhaust out there that I would buy is the JIC ones cuz I have personally examined the build quality.
There are MANY exhausts out there with questionable build quality and more than questionable welds. That is why I do not care to buy many of these exhausts. I make my own or have em custom built. ONLY exhaust out there that I would buy is the JIC ones cuz I have personally examined the build quality.
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How do these warranties work, btw? If you have a problem with an exhaust, do you have to remove it and ship it back to the manufacturer for inspection? Or do they replace the whole exhaust sight unseen?
just curious,
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Last edited by Vishnu; Mar 7, 2011 at 04:15 AM.
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Got a Scoobysport back in September and absolutely love it...not the prettiest piece for sure, hand welded, and they're still coming from H&S in England (at least mine did).
The wait was 4 weeks but well worth it...ordered from Rallyperformance and came in exactly when they said it would (they order in batches and usually have them all sold before they get here, hence the wait)...
Shiv, I'm not exactly sure how the warranty works -- pretty sure you have to take it off and send it back in...which would certainly be a bummer! I can't imagine anything rusting through on it though...the welds are overkill for what it is - I've seen skimpier welding on the cargo bays of heavy dump trucks...and the stainless steel is pretty thick (not sure what gauge but was still lighter overall than the stock muffler)
And to say that just because something is made out of Stainless steel it will never rust through is total BS...not all stainless is the same. It will still rust and pit depending on the quality of the manufacturing process and how 'even' the blend is...so that's why many of you probably have small spots of rust here and there on your SS exhausts (especially combined with heat)...sure it comes off easy but it still rusts...German stainless steel surgical instruments rust, but nowhere near as much as those made in Pakistan (also stanless steel, but they rust quite quickly actually), so you still have to do some level of maintenance/cleaning to keep it from pitting...but the assumption that stainless steel won't rust through is wrong, the time it takes to happen is more a function of the materials engineering, manufacturing process, and environmental conditions...heat, water, and electrolytes from junk on the road will certainly expedite the oxidation process on SS exhaust components...
The tip of the scoobysport doesn't stick out too far, not much more than stock...but enough that if you have a lighter colored car you're not going to be cleaning exhaust residue off your rear bumper and trunk lid as much (aerodynamically there's a vortex behind the car that makes a lot of the exhaust come back and come in contact with the car anyway)...and the sound is similar to sound files posted on the internet but deeper (computer speakers just don't doo well with bass)...
Overall I love it...the sound is throaty and mellow and comes alive when the turbo starts to kick in...no popping, nice grumble effect when you let off the gas...really improves the driving experience of the car and not an artifical exhaust sound like a lot of the fart cans out there on 'other brands' of cars...7 months and I still love driving with the radio off...really lets the engine nose out there...and its not too loud (95 dB I think), but definitely louder than stock, and you can still have a conversation. Turbo does start to kick in around 2600 RPM when it was around 2900-3200 before and the throttle is more responsive (not a lot, but noticably so)...I really believe it's a functional piece for low RPM, and there is a bit more low end torque, if you want serious high end torque then you need 3" ...I'm not racing mine and don't need to get to 120 MPH quickly...getting to 85 quickly is fun enough for me...(not that I go that fast either, just for the record
)...does it need to last 25 years...heck no! Would I like it to look like it did when I bought it for the next 4-5 years...yes!
Honestly there are a lot of great exhausts out there, and the WRX certainly benefits from them...just a taste thing...The scoobysport just makes the car sound like its got a bit of snot under the hood in a mellow throaty way that's still civilized...
There's a pic of it here:
https://www.i-club.com/gallery/showg...00&ppuser=4184
The wait was 4 weeks but well worth it...ordered from Rallyperformance and came in exactly when they said it would (they order in batches and usually have them all sold before they get here, hence the wait)...
Shiv, I'm not exactly sure how the warranty works -- pretty sure you have to take it off and send it back in...which would certainly be a bummer! I can't imagine anything rusting through on it though...the welds are overkill for what it is - I've seen skimpier welding on the cargo bays of heavy dump trucks...and the stainless steel is pretty thick (not sure what gauge but was still lighter overall than the stock muffler)
And to say that just because something is made out of Stainless steel it will never rust through is total BS...not all stainless is the same. It will still rust and pit depending on the quality of the manufacturing process and how 'even' the blend is...so that's why many of you probably have small spots of rust here and there on your SS exhausts (especially combined with heat)...sure it comes off easy but it still rusts...German stainless steel surgical instruments rust, but nowhere near as much as those made in Pakistan (also stanless steel, but they rust quite quickly actually), so you still have to do some level of maintenance/cleaning to keep it from pitting...but the assumption that stainless steel won't rust through is wrong, the time it takes to happen is more a function of the materials engineering, manufacturing process, and environmental conditions...heat, water, and electrolytes from junk on the road will certainly expedite the oxidation process on SS exhaust components...
The tip of the scoobysport doesn't stick out too far, not much more than stock...but enough that if you have a lighter colored car you're not going to be cleaning exhaust residue off your rear bumper and trunk lid as much (aerodynamically there's a vortex behind the car that makes a lot of the exhaust come back and come in contact with the car anyway)...and the sound is similar to sound files posted on the internet but deeper (computer speakers just don't doo well with bass)...
Overall I love it...the sound is throaty and mellow and comes alive when the turbo starts to kick in...no popping, nice grumble effect when you let off the gas...really improves the driving experience of the car and not an artifical exhaust sound like a lot of the fart cans out there on 'other brands' of cars...7 months and I still love driving with the radio off...really lets the engine nose out there...and its not too loud (95 dB I think), but definitely louder than stock, and you can still have a conversation. Turbo does start to kick in around 2600 RPM when it was around 2900-3200 before and the throttle is more responsive (not a lot, but noticably so)...I really believe it's a functional piece for low RPM, and there is a bit more low end torque, if you want serious high end torque then you need 3" ...I'm not racing mine and don't need to get to 120 MPH quickly...getting to 85 quickly is fun enough for me...(not that I go that fast either, just for the record
)...does it need to last 25 years...heck no! Would I like it to look like it did when I bought it for the next 4-5 years...yes!Honestly there are a lot of great exhausts out there, and the WRX certainly benefits from them...just a taste thing...The scoobysport just makes the car sound like its got a bit of snot under the hood in a mellow throaty way that's still civilized...
There's a pic of it here:
https://www.i-club.com/gallery/showg...00&ppuser=4184
Last edited by rhk118; Apr 23, 2004 at 09:13 AM.
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The brittish know how to make damn good parts for cars...brits have been racing their MGs and whatnot with their tiny little engines forever and they know how to maintain them well. I would trust Scoobysport and Prodrive over any other brand personally... Well worth their prices for the quality of products.
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