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Old Nov 11, 2004 | 02:02 PM
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So where does the heat go?
Old Nov 11, 2004 | 03:07 PM
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My guess is that it would stay in the exhaust itself, which is where it belongs. That is, if your turbo can handle it...
Old Nov 11, 2004 | 07:22 PM
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Good Point...Can the turbo handle the extra heat if in fact it stays in the gas? I have read on other manufacturers' claims (vishnu) that theirs will actually lower the EGT. Is it because there is an increase in velocity of exhaust and the heat is carried away quicker or because the other pips radiate the heat out...? Sooo many questions...sorry.
Old Nov 13, 2004 | 03:37 PM
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It does not increase EGTs and the turbo can handle it. There are hundreds in service with no heat related turbo failures. In fact, no turbo failures have been reported.
Old Nov 13, 2004 | 03:50 PM
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Old Nov 13, 2004 | 04:04 PM
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Old Nov 13, 2004 | 04:21 PM
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Old Nov 13, 2004 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by rustokman
Good Point...Can the turbo handle the extra heat if in fact it stays in the gas? I have read on other manufacturers' claims (vishnu) that theirs will actually lower the EGT. Is it because there is an increase in velocity of exhaust and the heat is carried away quicker or because the other pips radiate the heat out...? Sooo many questions...sorry.
I think removeing the cat in the upipe is what lowers egt's since cats are restrictive. When you have a catless upipe the exhaust gasses are able to flow away from the cylinders faster which decreases egt temps at the cylinders. I'm not sure but I would think the exhaust gasses entering the turbo would be cooler with a catless upipe since there isnt a hot a$$ cat in frount of it but dont quote me on that.

With a catless upipe you have a 0% chance of a piece of the cat breaking off and trashing your turbo so I would think a catless upipe is much safer than the oem one especially if your car is modded.

When you have a coated upipe it will help keep heat out of the engine bay and in the pipe. Since heat will help to increase velosity it should also help spool up, how much I dont know.
Old Nov 13, 2004 | 08:29 PM
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Here's my issue with upipes. The upipe curls around cery close to the engine, i don't remember the number of the cylinder it is closest to. If there is no heat shield then there is excess heat radiating into the engine and on one cylinder more than the other. In my opinion, and possibly in the opinion of others, that is a bad thing. Here's my question: does the coating on the crucial pipe keep the heat in the pipe and radiates less of it, or does it radiate more of it out, or does it just retain it untill the engine can cool down. If the pipe gets hotter and it radiates it out then a serious issue with the engine will develop.
I'm almost positive #3 (passanger rear) is the closest cylinder to the upipe and I doubt the lack of a heat shield would cause any problems with that cylinder. If you are thinking about buying an upipe and you are still concerned about the heat issue buy a STI upipe since it has a heat shield. If you plan on doing a DP Speedmonkee has a heat shield with a chimney that is prety cool http://www.speedmonkee.com/.
Old Nov 13, 2004 | 10:20 PM
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Number 3 is right next to the uppipe, you're right. The rest is BS.

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Old Nov 14, 2004 | 11:35 AM
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Before you pick an up-pipe you might want to consider that some companies package an up-pipe with their Turbo Manifolds. Gt-Spec, Fujitsubo and i think Invidia all have an up-pipe packaged. I got the Fujitsubo with my manifold. Havent put it on yet but it has a flex pipe and an o2 sensor bung. Also i dont know for sure but maybe someone else does. If you get some kind of engine management can you replace the O2 sensor with an EGT probe? Just curious. But shop around before you buy just the up-pipe.
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The rest of what is BS? I'm guessing you're talking about the heat from an upipe causeing problems with cylinder 3.

Do you know if the coating on the crucial pipe lowers temps more than a pipe that has a heatshield?

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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 04:58 AM
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I don't have figures on that, but as the pipe is coated on both sides I suspect lower temps.
Old Nov 15, 2004 | 02:57 PM
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Suspect? Thats a little thin. Can you explain why it being coated on both sides would make lower temps?

My reasoning is, the heat has to go somewhere. If it does not radiate out of the pipe, then that eliminates that option. Where does the heat go? If it's coated on the inside, then the pipe metal must not take much heat relatively, so then that eliminates that option. Where else is there for the heat to go? The cat is gone so there is no more static heat sitting around there. So we know that that makes the exhaust velocity increase since there is less restriction, well maybe not increase as much as it allows the exhaust to reach a fast velocity quicker. But at full boost and high rpms, the exhaust can only go so fast out of the pipe so there's where my concers are. Does the heat flow away better with the exhaust since heat does make for more velocity?

Can we get the makers of the pipe (crucial) to help us answer some of these questions?



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