Stock ECU... gets stupid over time?
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Stock ECU... gets stupid over time?
After an ECU reset (stock), my car runs great for about a month or so. After a while, it gets small hesitation during acceleration, I get occasional rough idle, and poor fuel economy. I never get a cel, so I don't thing anything is wrong elsewhere. My car is a Late '02, so it wasn't one of the first WRXs that needed a re-flash.
I brought it to the dealer twice for jerky acceleration under partial throttle... both time ckevin reset the ecu and it acted normally again. WTF?
I generally use good gas, too, so don't think it's that. Anyone else have the same problem?
By the way, when it is at its worst, it's not really that bad, but it is noticeable.
I brought it to the dealer twice for jerky acceleration under partial throttle... both time ckevin reset the ecu and it acted normally again. WTF?
I generally use good gas, too, so don't think it's that. Anyone else have the same problem?
By the way, when it is at its worst, it's not really that bad, but it is noticeable.
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Story of my life, except mine has been at the dealer several times, and I get decent mileage (I average about 23 mpg).
2002, doesn't need reflash; no mods. Runs well after ECU reset and then after a couple of weeks starts to hesitate again.
I even tried the grounding wires mod, but that didn't help. I plan to get an XEDE piggyback to see if it will fix the problem.
The mechanic at the dealer made it sound like these hesitations are normal, so I just keep the revs up where it isn't as bad.
-Craig
2002, doesn't need reflash; no mods. Runs well after ECU reset and then after a couple of weeks starts to hesitate again.
I even tried the grounding wires mod, but that didn't help. I plan to get an XEDE piggyback to see if it will fix the problem.
The mechanic at the dealer made it sound like these hesitations are normal, so I just keep the revs up where it isn't as bad.
-Craig
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The stock ECU does indeed exhibit hesitations, especially at part throttle around 4k RPM. This happens because at some point the engine experiences knock at these spots and the ECU learns around them by pulling timing. This causes flat spots and hesitation. The only solution is a quality reflash.
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Alright... good to hear this is normal. My "poor" fuel mileage was around 18-22mpg, but I characterize it as "poor" since it stays the same even when light-footed. I think the CA winter fuel has something to do with the sub-20mpg tanks.
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Yep, winter gas here deffinately drops fuel economy. BTW, I'll be in the east bay this weekend and could do a quick log of your car to make sure everything is ok. Let me know if you'd like to meet up.
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Yep, winter gas here deffinately drops fuel economy.
Second, ethanol is added as an oxygenate to help the gasoline burn cleaner, in proportions of up to 10% ethanol. "The primary emission benefits of oxygenate use in gasoline is a reduction in CO and hydrocarbon emissions from motor vehicles." http://www.arb.ca.gov/fuels/gasoline/pub/oxyrprt.pdf
This is more important here since MTBE was phased out.
Third, "A fuel's ability to
vaporize or change from a liquid to a vapor is referred to as its volatility. If
volatility is too low (not volatile enough), symptoms could include: poor cold
start, poor warm up performance, poor cool weather driveability, increased
deposits in the crankcase, combustion chamber, and spark plug, or unequal
fuel distribution. ... Refiners are required to deliver the correct volatility of fuel for winter, summer, and fall/spring. "
Colder air makes it difficult for the gasoline to properly atomize.
http://www.nwicc.cc.ia.us/Module5.htm
http://www.artsautomotive.com/Mileage.htm
Furthermore, Gasoline has about 114,500 BTU/gallon, while ethanol has only 76,100 BTU/gallon. http://www.epa.gov/orcdizux/rfgecon.htm
So when you combine poorer volatility due to weather conditions and lower energy content due to oxygenates, you get worse mileage.
Here's an interesting map of US Gasoline requirements:
http://www.exxon.com/USA-English/Fil...p%20100102.pdf
Last edited by natronprime; Apr 29, 2005 at 11:05 AM. Reason: big mistake on my part
Here's another page about oxygenates in california:
http://www.arb.ca.gov/fuels/gasoline/cbgmtbe.htm
And the latest on california gasoline standards:
http://www.arb.ca.gov/newsrel/ph3cbg.htm
http://www.arb.ca.gov/fuels/gasoline/cbgmtbe.htm
And the latest on california gasoline standards:
http://www.arb.ca.gov/newsrel/ph3cbg.htm
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http://www.awdpirates.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=524
Another excellent paper that explains why gas is the way it is.
Another excellent paper that explains why gas is the way it is.
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