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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 09:43 AM
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Stock ECU... gets stupid over time?

After an ECU reset (stock), my car runs great for about a month or so. After a while, it gets small hesitation during acceleration, I get occasional rough idle, and poor fuel economy. I never get a cel, so I don't thing anything is wrong elsewhere. My car is a Late '02, so it wasn't one of the first WRXs that needed a re-flash.

I brought it to the dealer twice for jerky acceleration under partial throttle... both time ckevin reset the ecu and it acted normally again. WTF?

I generally use good gas, too, so don't think it's that. Anyone else have the same problem?

By the way, when it is at its worst, it's not really that bad, but it is noticeable.
Old Apr 26, 2005 | 02:46 PM
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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 05:11 PM
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 01:54 PM
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The stock ECU does indeed exhibit hesitations, especially at part throttle around 4k RPM. This happens because at some point the engine experiences knock at these spots and the ECU learns around them by pulling timing. This causes flat spots and hesitation. The only solution is a quality reflash.
Old Apr 27, 2005 | 02:32 PM
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Same thing happened here, Get a reflash and you'll love the difference.
Old Apr 28, 2005 | 02:52 PM
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Alright... good to hear this is normal. My "poor" fuel mileage was around 18-22mpg, but I characterize it as "poor" since it stays the same even when light-footed. I think the CA winter fuel has something to do with the sub-20mpg tanks.
Old Apr 28, 2005 | 03:11 PM
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Yep, winter gas here deffinately drops fuel economy. BTW, I'll be in the east bay this weekend and could do a quick log of your car to make sure everything is ok. Let me know if you'd like to meet up.

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Old Apr 28, 2005 | 04:39 PM
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Yep, winter gas here deffinately drops fuel economy.
OK, I was wrong. First, it's ethanol. Methanol is highly corrosive.

Second, ethanol is added as an oxygenate to help the gasoline burn cleaner, in proportions of up to 10% ethanol. "The primary emission benefits of oxygenate use in gasoline is a reduction in CO and hydrocarbon emissions from motor vehicles." http://www.arb.ca.gov/fuels/gasoline/pub/oxyrprt.pdf
This is more important here since MTBE was phased out.

Third, "A fuel's ability to
vaporize or change from a liquid to a vapor is referred to as its volatility. If
volatility is too low (not volatile enough), symptoms could include: poor cold
start, poor warm up performance, poor cool weather driveability, increased
deposits in the crankcase, combustion chamber, and spark plug, or unequal
fuel distribution. ... Refiners are required to deliver the correct volatility of fuel for winter, summer, and fall/spring. "
Colder air makes it difficult for the gasoline to properly atomize.
http://www.nwicc.cc.ia.us/Module5.htm
http://www.artsautomotive.com/Mileage.htm

Furthermore, Gasoline has about 114,500 BTU/gallon, while ethanol has only 76,100 BTU/gallon. http://www.epa.gov/orcdizux/rfgecon.htm

So when you combine poorer volatility due to weather conditions and lower energy content due to oxygenates, you get worse mileage.

Here's an interesting map of US Gasoline requirements:
http://www.exxon.com/USA-English/Fil...p%20100102.pdf

Last edited by natronprime; Apr 29, 2005 at 11:05 AM. Reason: big mistake on my part
Old Apr 28, 2005 | 06:07 PM
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interesting thought... is this your own hypothesis and what's it based on? Have a good article to educate the rest of us?
Old Apr 29, 2005 | 11:13 AM
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Here's another page about oxygenates in california:
http://www.arb.ca.gov/fuels/gasoline/cbgmtbe.htm

And the latest on california gasoline standards:
http://www.arb.ca.gov/newsrel/ph3cbg.htm
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that's quite a bit of research... to nate
Old Apr 29, 2005 | 01:15 PM
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thanks for the e-props Ed, but I think we're just having a conversation amongst ourselves.
Old Apr 29, 2005 | 02:17 PM
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seems that way.... funny especially considering niether of us started this thread. Sometimes I miss vwvortex. Wait did I say that?
Old Apr 29, 2005 | 02:56 PM
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http://www.awdpirates.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=524

Another excellent paper that explains why gas is the way it is.
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