My tuner is better than your tuner
Because I don't believe st. 2 parts and a tune netted 100whp and 120whtq..........
Yea..................enuff said.
Another person who wants to attack me and not the topic because they know its total bull****, and people on every other site think that it's clown **** and a total joke..................
you are the one with the **** in your mouth pal,
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You are right..............Im a total *** and a fanboi.......
Because I don't believe st. 2 parts and a tune netted 100whp and 120whtq..........
Yea..................enuff said.
Another person who wants to attack me and not the topic because they know its total bull****, and people on every other site think that it's clown **** and a total joke..................
you are the one with the **** in your mouth pal,
Because I don't believe st. 2 parts and a tune netted 100whp and 120whtq..........
Yea..................enuff said.
Another person who wants to attack me and not the topic because they know its total bull****, and people on every other site think that it's clown **** and a total joke..................
you are the one with the **** in your mouth pal,
this is after i was told an 08 sti puts down 160whp, and basically said anyone who questioned it is an idiot.
Then on top of that the fact he admits changes in the dyno calibration at times. <----Seems like a pretty poor standpoint for a tuner considering all reults are relative.
Tuner doesn't even know what octane and doesn't discern either that his customer is using<-------------> bad tuning practies
What did I ever claim that discredits him?, I just questioned the information his business provided.
So once again you make no sense.........
So I'm not allowed to question anyones power gains???? especially given they an completely unheard of and unreal, and posted intentionally to attract business???
Stop affiliating me with ED, I got tuned by him and he did a good job..........I don't have any allegiance to him (you obviously do to paul since your post didn't relate to the topic), I just want people to know whats really going on.......
Not some guy thinking he can get these gains with st. 2 on his car......
If ED had posted up that his st. 2 customer gained 120whtq, and 100whp...........what would you all be saying?
I'm pretty sure I can guess...........
And if ED did post these numbers, i'd think he was a full of it as well.
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Originally Posted by slow04wrx
How many have you owned? have you ever had stage 2 and a tune? do you participate in the iwsti message board where there are tons of sti's?
...and guess what... i dont get on the forums and pretend to know **** about tuning like you do, i leave it to people who actually make a living doing automotive work.
Originally Posted by slow04wrx
You have experience doing what? having Paul work on your car?
Originally Posted by IX
paul does all the work on 6 vehicles for me subaru and otherwise
Originally Posted by slow04wrx
More like experience running your mouth about irrelevant ****
ill pay for dyno time at the shop closest to you. then you can bring your laptop and protuner software down and show me how e-baller you really are? I'm serious. tell me the shop (GST, FLI, DBtuned) and the weekend you want to do it. ill bring the car down and you can tune it with all of your infinite e-wisdom.
i eagerly await your pathetic and poorly written response.
Originally Posted by slow04wrx
All I see you doing is speculating like a tard.
Originally Posted by slow04wrx
I can see from Pauls number that its a joke, stage 2's don't make this power gain......ask anyone who knows about the car and specific mods (apparently you don't have much experience)........and you still refuse to comment about the st. 2????????
Originally Posted by slow04wrx
You don't want to trash Paul, but you STILL don't want to say its right either for fear of looking like an idiot.
Originally Posted by slow04wrx
Why would I need to spend money at Paul's shop to debate this topic? thats just retarded.
Originally Posted by slow04wrx
yeah my insight does belong because i've had a similar setup........and experienced many others like it
Originally Posted by slow04wrx
I actually have something to provide.
Originally Posted by slow04wrx
SO once again, you posted nothing that makes any sense or relates to anything.
Originally Posted by slow04wrx
Stop trying to cover up for being a little queerbate, and the fact you posted stupid *** ****.
Originally Posted by slow04wrx
You are still failing to see you don't even debate the topic or do anything, so you are just posting senseless **** to waste time, that doesn't even pertain to the topiccccccccccccc
second.
who the **** are you again? oh right. some tool who rolled in playing e-genius. you have wasted far more time here being a jackass then i have calling you out on it.
Originally Posted by slow04wrx
ARE YOU ****ING STUPID??
Are you really that dumb???
Are you really that dumb???
Originally Posted by slow04wrx
I think not, just an *******.
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dude 100whp, 120 whtq gain.........he is discrediting himself right there, not me. How did I discredit him, except for list the truth.
this is after i was told an 08 sti puts down 160whp, and basically said anyone who questioned it is an idiot.
Then on top of that the fact he admits changes in the dyno calibration at times. <----Seems like a pretty poor standpoint for a tuner considering all reults are relative.
Tuner doesn't even know what octane and doesn't discern either that his customer is using<-------------> bad tuning practies
What did I ever claim that discredits him?, I just questioned the information his business provided.
So once again you make no sense.........
So I'm not allowed to question anyones power gains???? especially given they an completely unheard of and unreal, and posted intentionally to attract business???
Stop affiliating me with ED, I got tuned by him and he did a good job..........I don't have any allegiance to him (you obviously do to paul since your post didn't relate to the topic), I just want people to know whats really going on.......
Not some guy thinking he can get these gains with st. 2 on his car......
If ED had posted up that his st. 2 customer gained 120whtq, and 100whp...........what would you all be saying?
I'm pretty sure I can guess...........
And if ED did post these numbers, i'd think he was a full of it as well.
this is after i was told an 08 sti puts down 160whp, and basically said anyone who questioned it is an idiot.
Then on top of that the fact he admits changes in the dyno calibration at times. <----Seems like a pretty poor standpoint for a tuner considering all reults are relative.
Tuner doesn't even know what octane and doesn't discern either that his customer is using<-------------> bad tuning practies
What did I ever claim that discredits him?, I just questioned the information his business provided.
So once again you make no sense.........
So I'm not allowed to question anyones power gains???? especially given they an completely unheard of and unreal, and posted intentionally to attract business???
Stop affiliating me with ED, I got tuned by him and he did a good job..........I don't have any allegiance to him (you obviously do to paul since your post didn't relate to the topic), I just want people to know whats really going on.......
Not some guy thinking he can get these gains with st. 2 on his car......
If ED had posted up that his st. 2 customer gained 120whtq, and 100whp...........what would you all be saying?
I'm pretty sure I can guess...........
And if ED did post these numbers, i'd think he was a full of it as well.
Just curious, how many dyno days have you been to that involved locals and people from the hills coming down for the event?
I have been to several and for some reason the cars that came in from Reno always seemed to put down better numbers than similar cars from the local area (stock and modified). Maybe this has something to do with the learning curve of the ECU and the altitude change, maybe it has something to do with Nevada gas - I don't know.
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dude 100whp, 120 whtq gain.........he is discrediting himself right there, not me. How did I discredit him, except for list the truth.
this is after i was told an 08 sti puts down 160whp, and basically said anyone who questioned it is an idiot.
Then on top of that the fact he admits changes in the dyno calibration at times. <----Seems like a pretty poor standpoint for a tuner considering all reults are relative.
Tuner doesn't even know what octane and doesn't discern either that his customer is using<-------------> bad tuning practies
What did I ever claim that discredits him?, I just questioned the information his business provided.
So once again you make no sense.........
So I'm not allowed to question anyones power gains???? especially given they an completely unheard of and unreal, and posted intentionally to attract business???
Stop affiliating me with ED, I got tuned by him and he did a good job..........I don't have any allegiance to him (you obviously do to paul since your post didn't relate to the topic), I just want people to know whats really going on.......
Not some guy thinking he can get these gains with st. 2 on his car......
If ED had posted up that his st. 2 customer gained 120whtq, and 100whp...........what would you all be saying?
I'm pretty sure I can guess...........
And if ED did post these numbers, i'd think he was a full of it as well.
this is after i was told an 08 sti puts down 160whp, and basically said anyone who questioned it is an idiot.
Then on top of that the fact he admits changes in the dyno calibration at times. <----Seems like a pretty poor standpoint for a tuner considering all reults are relative.
Tuner doesn't even know what octane and doesn't discern either that his customer is using<-------------> bad tuning practies
What did I ever claim that discredits him?, I just questioned the information his business provided.
So once again you make no sense.........
So I'm not allowed to question anyones power gains???? especially given they an completely unheard of and unreal, and posted intentionally to attract business???
Stop affiliating me with ED, I got tuned by him and he did a good job..........I don't have any allegiance to him (you obviously do to paul since your post didn't relate to the topic), I just want people to know whats really going on.......
Not some guy thinking he can get these gains with st. 2 on his car......
If ED had posted up that his st. 2 customer gained 120whtq, and 100whp...........what would you all be saying?
I'm pretty sure I can guess...........
And if ED did post these numbers, i'd think he was a full of it as well.
To the best of my knowledge, you & I have never conducted business.
If this is not true and correct, please tell me.
The facts are as follows:
- I made a mistake in the 2008 STi dyno numbers. I left the car in base/economy/non fun mode. The owner is not available for more dyno time, which will be provided for free. As soon as he's available, I'll post up correct charts.
- To the best of my knowledge, I have never called anyone an "idiot" or any similar name in regards to the abovementioned 2008 STi dyno fiasco. I kindly ask you to provide proof of this allegation.
-You obviously take me for an idiot. I know exactly what fuel, mods, oil, brake fluid, brake pads were/are in my customer's cars. Do you really think I'm some dumb hayseed that has no clue? Tuners are a silly bunch, being all secretive about the black art we practice.
-This particular vehicle is a "curve buster". I've already mentioned that.
I normally see 275 - 295 at the wheels on a stage 2 STi, with about 20-30 points more with equal length headers & up pipe. This car was higher. Why?
I don't know. I do know that this car was very easy to tune, both the first time & the second time.
-"Bad Tuning Practices?" Have you seen me tune? Have you tuned a car yourself, so that way you'd have a baseline on what are "good" and "Bad" practises? In my opinion, bad practises would include, but are not limited to,
* not having a business license
* not being registered with the BAR.
* not having a valid Seller's Permit number; this allows one to sell goods & collect the required state sales tax.
BTW, if a person does not have all three of the above items, they are illegally operating an automotive business.
-You asked "If ED had posted up that his st. 2 customer gained 120whtq, and 100whp...........what would you all be saying?"
Well, this isn't a Stg 2, but it's similar
Here's your answer.
I'm not sure what I did to fire you up so much.
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-You asked "If ED had posted up that his st. 2 customer gained 120whtq, and 100whp...........what would you all be saying?"
Well, this isn't a Stg 2, but it's similar
Here's your answer.
Well, this isn't a Stg 2, but it's similar
Here's your answer.
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A funny from the post Paul linked
So here we are 19 months later and apparently it is still not soon enough...
Originally Posted by EQ Tuning
We'll be having a dyno day on our own dyno in a our own shop soon enough.
... well not really soon enough
Thanks
... well not really soon enough
Thanks
So here we are 19 months later and apparently it is still not soon enough...
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ooooh another PM
how about you get that stage. 2 re run without its parts and tune and then again with on someone else dyno. Sorry pal, I use a tuner.......I know some but obviously I'm not a tuner, and never claimed to be. I know how it works, not how to make it work well............
The fact is if you had a clue about tuning, you know this is a total joke. and so is recalibrating your dyno without notice on random occasions. Do you understand the law of relativity?
Anyone who argues against that obviously shows they don't know much.
I mean you really believe the gains? Come on man......get real.....we both know its crap.
you really really have no ****ing clue what you are talking about...
i dont give you advise on sucking dick do i? no, but if i ever wanted to know how youd be the the first person i asked for advise. see... heres the kicker...
paul hasnt tuned my car. he hasnt tuned yours. which is why i didnt start asking douchebag questions. i can only comment on paul as a mechanic, at which by all measure he is fantastic. unfortunately he isnt an internet cowboy like you, and frankly, his time is more probably to important to waste on ethugs like yourself.
oh and work on your english dumb****. i dont own a dyno.
and paul would have to speak for himself but i believe the weight value was changed once.
and how does going back to stock and having another shop do the labor make a difference?
Originally Posted by slow04wrx
Originally Posted by irrational x
says the armchair tuner. if your so awesome how about this:
ill pay for dyno time at the shop closest to you. then you can bring your laptop and protuner software down and show me how e-baller you really are? I'm serious. tell me the shop (GST, FLI, DBtuned) and the weekend you want to do it. ill bring the car down and you can tune it with all of your infinite e-wisdom.
ill pay for dyno time at the shop closest to you. then you can bring your laptop and protuner software down and show me how e-baller you really are? I'm serious. tell me the shop (GST, FLI, DBtuned) and the weekend you want to do it. ill bring the car down and you can tune it with all of your infinite e-wisdom.
Originally Posted by slow04wrx
Seriously man, you got nothing to contribute. Nothing relevant to the topic..................and you are calling other people fanboi's??????
Get real man, and take a look at yourself and the stupid **** you write. You are a tool........Paul is a joke and is constantly "recalibrating his dyno"........
and your a dumb**** for chiming in with close to retarded posts.
get a brain.
Get real man, and take a look at yourself and the stupid **** you write. You are a tool........Paul is a joke and is constantly "recalibrating his dyno"........
and your a dumb**** for chiming in with close to retarded posts.
get a brain.
how about you get that stage. 2 re run without its parts and tune and then again with on someone else dyno. Sorry pal, I use a tuner.......I know some but obviously I'm not a tuner, and never claimed to be. I know how it works, not how to make it work well............
The fact is if you had a clue about tuning, you know this is a total joke. and so is recalibrating your dyno without notice on random occasions. Do you understand the law of relativity?
Anyone who argues against that obviously shows they don't know much.
I mean you really believe the gains? Come on man......get real.....we both know its crap.
i dont give you advise on sucking dick do i? no, but if i ever wanted to know how youd be the the first person i asked for advise. see... heres the kicker...
paul hasnt tuned my car. he hasnt tuned yours. which is why i didnt start asking douchebag questions. i can only comment on paul as a mechanic, at which by all measure he is fantastic. unfortunately he isnt an internet cowboy like you, and frankly, his time is more probably to important to waste on ethugs like yourself.
oh and work on your english dumb****. i dont own a dyno.
and paul would have to speak for himself but i believe the weight value was changed once.
and how does going back to stock and having another shop do the labor make a difference?
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Sweet Hay Zeus!!
slow04wrx you're like a child that walks into the middle of an adult conversation.
Not to brag, but I know just a little about MTE...that's Measuring & Test Equipment.
Which a dynanometer is; a piece of equipment that measures a value. Kinda like a torquewrench.
In another life, I had to manage over 1,000 pieces of MTE; gage blocks, torque wrenches, dial indicators, thermometers, even a silly plastic cup.
Every piece had it's own Calibration Cycle, depending on frequency of use.
The more it was used, the more often it was calibrated.
Back to my dyno.
Since it's a piece of MTE, it has it's own calibration cycle, which I've determined to be 3 months.
This means every three months...more or less, I follow Mustang's dyno calibration procedure.
It takes only a few minutes to perform, but it's important that it is done.
And since this calibration procedure involves the use of a weight, guess what?
I have to send that weight out to be calibrated. I use Micro Precision Calibration for this service, as they pick up, deliver, and provide an ISO 9000 compatible Calibration Certificate.
So when you make the comment that I frequently calibrate my dyno, you are correct, and more importantly, I feel good knowing that my equipment is working correctly.
On to "adjustment" of the dyno.
There is a number that the user can "adjust" to get a higher or lower reading.
It's called "Equivilant Weight" value ( I think...I'm going off memory & i've been drinking).
When I got this dyno, I was told by a few tuners...including Ed...that my dyno read high. Being new to the game, I made a few calls & got some great information from both FLI & GST Moike.
With this information, I used a stock 2.0 liter WRX and adjusted the number until I got ~165whp. This is the Equivilant Weight number that all cars that I dyno are based on.
Well, what about all of those customers that had been dyno'ed on the higher number?
I have made & continue to make a note in every customer's file which number to set the dyno to for consistancy; If the car was ran on the High number, it continues to get the high number.
All new customers get the more correct number. I say more correct because how do I "know" that the car I picked actually made 165 whp? Maybe it really made 145 or maybe 185, but I adjusted it to read 165?
And since no car that I've tuned, worked on, etc has come with a traceable calibration certificate issued by the factory, how do any of us really know what a car will put down on a dyno?
slow04wrx you're like a child that walks into the middle of an adult conversation.
Not to brag, but I know just a little about MTE...that's Measuring & Test Equipment.
Which a dynanometer is; a piece of equipment that measures a value. Kinda like a torquewrench.
In another life, I had to manage over 1,000 pieces of MTE; gage blocks, torque wrenches, dial indicators, thermometers, even a silly plastic cup.
Every piece had it's own Calibration Cycle, depending on frequency of use.
The more it was used, the more often it was calibrated.
Back to my dyno.
Since it's a piece of MTE, it has it's own calibration cycle, which I've determined to be 3 months.
This means every three months...more or less, I follow Mustang's dyno calibration procedure.
It takes only a few minutes to perform, but it's important that it is done.
And since this calibration procedure involves the use of a weight, guess what?
I have to send that weight out to be calibrated. I use Micro Precision Calibration for this service, as they pick up, deliver, and provide an ISO 9000 compatible Calibration Certificate.
So when you make the comment that I frequently calibrate my dyno, you are correct, and more importantly, I feel good knowing that my equipment is working correctly.
On to "adjustment" of the dyno.
There is a number that the user can "adjust" to get a higher or lower reading.
It's called "Equivilant Weight" value ( I think...I'm going off memory & i've been drinking).
When I got this dyno, I was told by a few tuners...including Ed...that my dyno read high. Being new to the game, I made a few calls & got some great information from both FLI & GST Moike.
With this information, I used a stock 2.0 liter WRX and adjusted the number until I got ~165whp. This is the Equivilant Weight number that all cars that I dyno are based on.
Well, what about all of those customers that had been dyno'ed on the higher number?
I have made & continue to make a note in every customer's file which number to set the dyno to for consistancy; If the car was ran on the High number, it continues to get the high number.
All new customers get the more correct number. I say more correct because how do I "know" that the car I picked actually made 165 whp? Maybe it really made 145 or maybe 185, but I adjusted it to read 165?
And since no car that I've tuned, worked on, etc has come with a traceable calibration certificate issued by the factory, how do any of us really know what a car will put down on a dyno?
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