Things that suck about the STI
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Originally posted by AzN121184
u can slam the door becasue the doors dont "feel" solid like german cars i.e. volkwagons and such. these doors are very lightweight.
the clutch usually is becasue when the car is new or when the driver isn't used to the car yet, most people will ride the clutch, meaning more gas, higher rpms, then slowly let go of the clutch .
u can slam the door becasue the doors dont "feel" solid like german cars i.e. volkwagons and such. these doors are very lightweight.
the clutch usually is becasue when the car is new or when the driver isn't used to the car yet, most people will ride the clutch, meaning more gas, higher rpms, then slowly let go of the clutch .
Should I let the clutch out faster? I have done this before and the car jerks a little bit.
Thanks,
-Nigel
do the exact opposite. learn where your clutches biting point is...and instead of giving it more gas less clutch, try doing less gas more clutch. =] that should solve your problem. Is this your first stick shift car? everything takes time to learn, some are faster than others, dont worry about it nigel, you'll get the hang of it.
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Yeppers first manual car :-) Although I do know where the biting point of the clutch is... reason I know this is where I work there are A LOT of hills... it actually scared me because when I trasfered is when I first got my car and hills, really really scared me because I would either stall or drift back and then GAS it... not pretty, but I learned quick because I had to...lol
In first gear I can let my left foot up off the clutch about half way then I can feel it start to grab, at the moment I add gas and it's all good. But in other gears I don't know if I am doing that... I might take too long... what is the appropreate amount of time to shift, say from first to second, second to third, how many seconds should it take from the point you push your foot down on the clutch to shifting gears with your hands from letting the foot up then adding gas...?
Lots of questions so I apoligize :-(
-Nigel
In first gear I can let my left foot up off the clutch about half way then I can feel it start to grab, at the moment I add gas and it's all good. But in other gears I don't know if I am doing that... I might take too long... what is the appropreate amount of time to shift, say from first to second, second to third, how many seconds should it take from the point you push your foot down on the clutch to shifting gears with your hands from letting the foot up then adding gas...?
Lots of questions so I apoligize :-(
-Nigel
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Originally posted by NewShockerGuy
How do you prevent this...? I have had my car for 7000 miles and it still smells like this...
How do you prevent this...? I have had my car for 7000 miles and it still smells like this...
(hijack alert) I find the STi to be a bit slower to shift than my other cars, mainly since the revs take so long to drop. Other people will give you advice as well I'm sure. Anyway, sometime between 3k and 7k rpm (the upper end being at the track, the lower end being tooling about town when I'm not trying to be Boy Racer), you'll want to shift up. Right hand over to shift lever. Throttle out, clutch in -- pretty much simultaneously. Ideally clutch in just past the disengagement point, but that takes some practice. As soon as the clutch has passed the disengagement point, move the shift lever determinedly to the next gear. Don't slam it, don't play with it, just firmly and semi-swiftly move it, then get your hand back to the wheel. Now at this point I usually wait until the revs have come down to about where they'll be in the new gear, then proceed. Alternately you can just be a bit gentler when letting the clutch out. Anyway, clutch coming back out and throttle going back in. How gentle you need to be on the clutch depends on how well you rev matched as well as how gentle you feel like being to your car and occupants.
Looking at accelerometers, a normal upshift takes about 1/2 second total, meaning going from full acceleration in gear N to full acceleration in gear N+1 takes 0.5s, with the shift in-between seen as a drop in acceleration. I managed to get a pretty consistent 0.2s in my Miata, but (1) it has a far nicer shifter than the STi, and (2) it has about 1/3rd the torque. The STi takes me about 0.4s last I looked. My shifts while tooling about town aren't this fast, I'm sure. The new BMW M3 CSL with their latest SMG takes 0.08s which is pretty fantastic.
While upshifting is all very nice, and movies seem to be full of cars with 40+ gears and constant upshifting (everyone likes that rising engine note followed by a shift), downshifting is more complicated, harder to do well, and a lot more fun. Done right it sounds really cool too, but I think Joe Public doesn't hear it enough (and never hears a proper rev-matched downshift in their own car) so they don't get it. The recent video clips of the 350Z in Prague were full of this -- accelerating three gears, then do a quick cut and viola we're around the bend and upshifting again, making it seem (to someone who isn't rolling their eyes in disgust) as if for 5 whole minutes we're doing nothing but accelerating and shifting to the umpteenth gear. Must be really fast, right? Don't even get me started on the Fast and the Fictitious.
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DanaJ,
Good to know, although when you say rev match when upshifting... I don't do this? I don't think I have ever rev matched anything... I TRY but it doesn't work, for instance, when I downshift I slowly let out the clutch and you can here the car gooo...vrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr but think of the first part as it being higher pitched then going down slowly. I have tried to push the gas pedal in then match it to the lower gear but what happens is the tach goes up, then it goes back down then when I get into the gear and let the clutch out the tack goes back up to the gear...
I can't seem to get the hang of it.
What's funny is I shift at 3500rpm - 4000 rpm.. I usually don't ever go higher. Is this bad, in the term that when I DO get a turbo back exhaust and want to "hear" the engine and go higher that the car doesn't really want to go that high?
Thanks :-)
-Nigel
Good to know, although when you say rev match when upshifting... I don't do this? I don't think I have ever rev matched anything... I TRY but it doesn't work, for instance, when I downshift I slowly let out the clutch and you can here the car gooo...vrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr but think of the first part as it being higher pitched then going down slowly. I have tried to push the gas pedal in then match it to the lower gear but what happens is the tach goes up, then it goes back down then when I get into the gear and let the clutch out the tack goes back up to the gear...
I can't seem to get the hang of it.
What's funny is I shift at 3500rpm - 4000 rpm.. I usually don't ever go higher. Is this bad, in the term that when I DO get a turbo back exhaust and want to "hear" the engine and go higher that the car doesn't really want to go that high?
Thanks :-)
-Nigel
Originally posted by NewShockerGuy
In first gear I can let my left foot up off the clutch about half way then I can feel it start to grab, at the moment I add gas and it's all good. But in other gears I don't know if I am doing that... I might take too long... what is the appropreate amount of time to shift, say from first to second, second to third,
In first gear I can let my left foot up off the clutch about half way then I can feel it start to grab, at the moment I add gas and it's all good. But in other gears I don't know if I am doing that... I might take too long... what is the appropreate amount of time to shift, say from first to second, second to third,
-law
I find that personally (this is my first stick car) that downshifting into 2nd jumps a bit more than the rest of the gears. I haven't looked it up yet, but is the gap between 2nd/3rd significantly bigger? I have to get it up almost an extra 500 than expected to get it to go smoothly without any "unwanted" movements.
My one complaint with the car: the tires bite for the Bay Area where we get lots of rain. I slid a bit just trying to get to school yesterday. And no, it wasn't too much gas, because it plowslid towards the shoulder and i had my dccd focused in the rear.
It might come as a surprise to new STi owners that i say the tires suck, but i'm used to being spoiled by S0-3's on my old 02' wagon
My one complaint with the car: the tires bite for the Bay Area where we get lots of rain. I slid a bit just trying to get to school yesterday. And no, it wasn't too much gas, because it plowslid towards the shoulder and i had my dccd focused in the rear.
It might come as a surprise to new STi owners that i say the tires suck, but i'm used to being spoiled by S0-3's on my old 02' wagon
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Originally posted by Seraph
I find that personally (this is my first stick car) that downshifting into 2nd jumps a bit more than the rest of the gears. I haven't looked it up yet, but is the gap between 2nd/3rd significantly bigger? I have to get it up almost an extra 500 than expected to get it to go smoothly without any "unwanted" movements.
My one complaint with the car: the tires bite for the Bay Area where we get lots of rain. I slid a bit just trying to get to school yesterday. And no, it wasn't too much gas, because it plowslid towards the shoulder and i had my dccd focused in the rear.
It might come as a surprise to new STi owners that i say the tires suck, but i'm used to being spoiled by S0-3's on my old 02' wagon
I find that personally (this is my first stick car) that downshifting into 2nd jumps a bit more than the rest of the gears. I haven't looked it up yet, but is the gap between 2nd/3rd significantly bigger? I have to get it up almost an extra 500 than expected to get it to go smoothly without any "unwanted" movements.
My one complaint with the car: the tires bite for the Bay Area where we get lots of rain. I slid a bit just trying to get to school yesterday. And no, it wasn't too much gas, because it plowslid towards the shoulder and i had my dccd focused in the rear.
It might come as a surprise to new STi owners that i say the tires suck, but i'm used to being spoiled by S0-3's on my old 02' wagon
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Hey Nigel,
If you really want to learn clutch technique try this... take your car to a really large open area (empty parkinglot). Get the car moving by ONLY using the clutch, NO gas. Make sure the engine doesn't stall, bog or buck. It will require slipping the clutch and even disengaging it a little to get moving smoothly. If you can do this smoothly then you finally understand your clutch. Now try using the gas in conjunction with the clutch again.
And Nigel, when starting on a hill with a stick..... use the hand brake with your thumb on the button so it doesn't lock. This will prevent you from rolling back, smoking your clutch, doing a burnout, stalling and looking like a hooligan. Good Luck!
MIke
If you really want to learn clutch technique try this... take your car to a really large open area (empty parkinglot). Get the car moving by ONLY using the clutch, NO gas. Make sure the engine doesn't stall, bog or buck. It will require slipping the clutch and even disengaging it a little to get moving smoothly. If you can do this smoothly then you finally understand your clutch. Now try using the gas in conjunction with the clutch again.
And Nigel, when starting on a hill with a stick..... use the hand brake with your thumb on the button so it doesn't lock. This will prevent you from rolling back, smoking your clutch, doing a burnout, stalling and looking like a hooligan. Good Luck!
MIke
Originally posted by Silver arrow
You need to match revs on downshift.
You need to match revs on downshift.
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Sheesh, This turned into a shifting lesson..... Better than the unbelievable expectations of an S class mbz fit and finish. Rattles? You aren't driving fast enough. Under proper acceleration you can't hear s#@t. It works great. This thing is the basis for a race car. If it didn't rattle, shake, ect then it wouldn't go fast. If you want fast, good handling, and QUIET. Then you must spend another 50k.
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yea its basically a race car so its gonnna rattle, the clutch is gonna smell sometimes and the doors are lightweight 
i also rev match on my downshifts on my prelude and it sounds sweet as hell....my friends always ask how/why i do that and they try but they never can

i also rev match on my downshifts on my prelude and it sounds sweet as hell....my friends always ask how/why i do that and they try but they never can
Originally posted by NewShockerGuy
DanaJ,
Good to know, although when you say rev match when upshifting... I don't do this? I don't think I have ever rev matched anything... I TRY but it doesn't work, for instance, when I downshift I slowly let out the clutch and you can here the car gooo...vrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr but think of the first part as it being higher pitched then going down slowly. I have tried to push the gas pedal in then match it to the lower gear but what happens is the tach goes up, then it goes back down then when I get into the gear and let the clutch out the tack goes back up to the gear...
I can't seem to get the hang of it.
What's funny is I shift at 3500rpm - 4000 rpm.. I usually don't ever go higher. Is this bad, in the term that when I DO get a turbo back exhaust and want to "hear" the engine and go higher that the car doesn't really want to go that high?
Thanks :-)
-Nigel
DanaJ,
Good to know, although when you say rev match when upshifting... I don't do this? I don't think I have ever rev matched anything... I TRY but it doesn't work, for instance, when I downshift I slowly let out the clutch and you can here the car gooo...vrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr but think of the first part as it being higher pitched then going down slowly. I have tried to push the gas pedal in then match it to the lower gear but what happens is the tach goes up, then it goes back down then when I get into the gear and let the clutch out the tack goes back up to the gear...
I can't seem to get the hang of it.
What's funny is I shift at 3500rpm - 4000 rpm.. I usually don't ever go higher. Is this bad, in the term that when I DO get a turbo back exhaust and want to "hear" the engine and go higher that the car doesn't really want to go that high?
Thanks :-)
-Nigel
A modern manual has synchronizers that will synchronize the engine and tranny speeds. You cruising in 3rd then just putting it down into 2nd and slowly letting the clutch is doing a hell of a thrashing on your drivetrain. To rev match you push the clucth in put it in N clutch out rev to the rpm's you need clutch in put in gear clutch out.


