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Old Nov 15, 2012 | 09:45 AM
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Pension costs are rising like crazy because when times were good, a normal family would sock away some money for the rainy days... but many governments instead assumed good times would keep on rollin' and used up all that money and built it into future spending as well.

That's kinda the point the article is making. Until governments learn to sock away money when times are good to get through the rough times, the rough times will always be really bad.
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Old Nov 15, 2012 | 10:15 AM
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But its the best kind!!!! and flame war and politics go hand and hand
Haha. Agreed. But I had about enough of that last week.
Old Nov 15, 2012 | 10:42 AM
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Haha. Agreed. But I had about enough of that last week.
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Old Nov 15, 2012 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Concillian
Until governments learn to sock away money when times are good to get through the rough times, the rough times will always be really bad.
It's hard for a local government to build a rainy-day fund. It makes perfect fiscal sense, but there's no end to the needs of the people that the government serves. So it's a tough argument to say "we are going to not spend this money to help the constituents now because we think we might in worse shape later".

The people who need help "now" make a loud and powerful case and naturally every penny (or more) gets spent. Or, the fiscal conservatives simply get voted out.

The pension commitments are a time-bomb. Cities have no way to control their future obligations while the employees are on a fixed benefit plan. It's easy to see how a city can reach a tipping point of owing so much to retirees they can't provide services. It's surprising more cities haven't crashed like San Bernadino, Stockton and Vallejo.

But how to fix it? Calpers has iron-clad contracts with every local government. The governments cannot get out of the deal without massive buyout penalties that no one wants to pay. And why would they? The employees receiving the benefits are often the biggest supporters of the incumbents.

It's going to take more crisis and collapse before people wake up and decide they are willing to make hard choices about how to fix it.
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