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i've never done business with Vishnu, but have heard both sides of the story. I don't personally know Alex, Freddie, or most of the people posting in this thread.
if you look at what's going on here from a BUSINESS standpoint, this thread should be deleted, or at the very least locked. Alex is running a BUSINESS here and vendors PAY him for advertisement. Vishnu is paying to advertise on this board, he helps make it possible for I-Club to exist, along with all the other vendors. What do the trash talkers do? Drive vendors away. Talk trash about enough vendors, they leave, and we have no more I-Club.
if you look at what's going on here from a BUSINESS standpoint, this thread should be deleted, or at the very least locked. Alex is running a BUSINESS here and vendors PAY him for advertisement. Vishnu is paying to advertise on this board, he helps make it possible for I-Club to exist, along with all the other vendors. What do the trash talkers do? Drive vendors away. Talk trash about enough vendors, they leave, and we have no more I-Club.
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Originally Posted by RussB
i've never done business with Vishnu, heard both sides of the story. I don't personally know Alex, Freddie, or most of the people posting in this thread.
if you look at what's going on here from a BUSINESS standpoint, this thread should be deleted, or at the very least locked. Alex is running a BUSINESS here and vendors PAY him for advertisement. Vishnu is paying to advertise on this board, he helps make it possible for I-Club to exist, along with all the other vendors. What do the trash talkers do? Drive vendors away. Talk trash about enough vendors, they leave, and we have no more I-Club.
if you look at what's going on here from a BUSINESS standpoint, this thread should be deleted, or at the very least locked. Alex is running a BUSINESS here and vendors PAY him for advertisement. Vishnu is paying to advertise on this board, he helps make it possible for I-Club to exist, along with all the other vendors. What do the trash talkers do? Drive vendors away. Talk trash about enough vendors, they leave, and we have no more I-Club.
Do you really believe that people are fabricating the things they say about the customer service at Vishnu? Sure emotion gets involved in things like this but that is human nature and anyone with half a brain can see that and sort through it.
I consider myself lucky that Vishnu only got about a grand out of me - most of which I got back when I sold their shiz to someone else.
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Originally Posted by En3D
^^^ sorry but you sound like you are a n00b when it comes to cars. a race is a very poor way to see what a reflash will do (environment was the same but did you or friend drive the same, shift launch etc). what did the dyno chart look like? these guys are performance guys, how did you expect them to drive your car (especially on a test drive)? if it was Shiv, I am sure that he didn't do anything to your car during the drive that was bad for car.
Brett is the aussie. I've known brett since his days at M2. he has always been cool to me.
Brett is the aussie. I've known brett since his days at M2. he has always been cool to me.
LOL, thanks for calling me a noob, though...that is like calling Donald Trump a noob at realstate.
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Originally Posted by En3D
^^^ sorry but you sound like you are a n00b when it comes to cars. a race is a very poor way to see what a reflash will do (environment was the same but did you or friend drive the same, shift launch etc). what did the dyno chart look like? these guys are performance guys, how did you expect them to drive your car (especially on a test drive)? if it was Shiv, I am sure that he didn't do anything to your car during the drive that was bad for car.
Brett is the aussie. I've known brett since his days at M2. he has always been cool to me.
Brett is the aussie. I've known brett since his days at M2. he has always been cool to me.
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Good Point, I have heard many people talkin **** about the way shiv treats their cars....beats the **** out of them after every tune....I hope one day someones transmission goes out while he is beating the **** out of their car so he can be held responsible for it...
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Originally Posted by 02BlackWRX
Good Point, I have heard many people talkin **** about the way shiv treats their cars....beats the **** out of them after every tune....I hope one day someones transmission goes out while he is beating the **** out of their car so he can be held responsible for it...
I am not a fan of Shiv and will never spend another penny at his shop but that is a ridiculous statement.
What is the point of getting more power out of the car to drive it like a granny? You have to push the car hard to make sure the tune works at 100% load. If you do not push it to the max while tuning the car the tuner can not be sure the car can take the tune it has been given.
When my car was tuned Shiv took me for a “hot lap” and drove the car harder than it should have been driven on public roads. He did not do a clutch drop or launch the car hard but he brought it up to redline several times in 1st through 4th (if I remember correctly). That is the only way to make sure the tune is safe for the car. No two cars are the same and the limit to which they can be tuned will be different on each car as well. If a tuner was to throw a tune on the car and never take it over 4K on the tach they can not be sure it can take anything over that.
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Thats like me saying that you are a bumb a$$ Idiot who sucks Shivs *****, and when someone doesnt like Shiv, you get all pissed off. Then say...Now Alex, I know you will reply to this...I expect it. If you do reply...well then I guess I must be right about you
My main point is that you Freddy, made your point. More than once. Go to the review section, post your review and add the links to 1,000 threads you ``told truth abou Shiv``. Thats constructive. What you are doing is destructive. Destructive of MY WORK here.
About i-Club being a business. It is and it is not. No amount of money will make me do or say things I dont want to do. That is why I dont have that many vendors. Because they know from the OLD i-Club, that I dont suck dick for few $. You all should know that. After all, that is one of the reasons I have THIS site now.
So, once again, my main point is, the points have been made. No need to recycle them and going personal. Calling people bastards, bringing up Smallville and other silly ****.
After all, I watch Smallville. WTF is wrong with Smallville?
You have been screwed. You have told the world about it. Now, everyone knows about it. Done deal. End of story.
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Originally Posted by dz
True Alex is running a business here and Shiv is ruining one. Simply associating with Shivnu brings the value of Alex's business down. How would you feel if I recommended a shop to you that screwed things up on your car and refused to take care of the problem? Wouldn't that reflect poorly on me as well as company X since I was the one that sent you there?
Do you really believe that people are fabricating the things they say about the customer service at Vishnu? Sure emotion gets involved in things like this but that is human nature and anyone with half a brain can see that and sort through it.
I consider myself lucky that Vishnu only got about a grand out of me - most of which I got back when I sold their shiz to someone else.
Do you really believe that people are fabricating the things they say about the customer service at Vishnu? Sure emotion gets involved in things like this but that is human nature and anyone with half a brain can see that and sort through it.
I consider myself lucky that Vishnu only got about a grand out of me - most of which I got back when I sold their shiz to someone else.
i guess what i'm trying to say is... if the customer service and product is that bad, post a bad review and recommend that others don't go there. this thread has gotten out of hand by people personally going after eachother.
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Originally Posted by dz
Hold on a minute...
I am not a fan of Shiv and will never spend another penny at his shop but that is a ridiculous statement.
What is the point of getting more power out of the car to drive it like a granny? You have to push the car hard to make sure the tune works at 100% load. If you do not push it to the max while tuning the car the tuner can not be sure the car can take the tune it has been given.
When my car was tuned Shiv took me for a “hot lap” and drove the car harder than it should have been driven on public roads. He did not do a clutch drop or launch the car hard but he brought it up to redline several times in 1st through 4th (if I remember correctly). That is the only way to make sure the tune is safe for the car. No two cars are the same and the limit to which they can be tuned will be different on each car as well. If a tuner was to throw a tune on the car and never take it over 4K on the tach they can not be sure it can take anything over that.
I am not a fan of Shiv and will never spend another penny at his shop but that is a ridiculous statement.
What is the point of getting more power out of the car to drive it like a granny? You have to push the car hard to make sure the tune works at 100% load. If you do not push it to the max while tuning the car the tuner can not be sure the car can take the tune it has been given.
When my car was tuned Shiv took me for a “hot lap” and drove the car harder than it should have been driven on public roads. He did not do a clutch drop or launch the car hard but he brought it up to redline several times in 1st through 4th (if I remember correctly). That is the only way to make sure the tune is safe for the car. No two cars are the same and the limit to which they can be tuned will be different on each car as well. If a tuner was to throw a tune on the car and never take it over 4K on the tach they can not be sure it can take anything over that.
You are probably going to ask me how I race my car then, right? I don't. I've only raced one person and we started from a roll. I just wanted to see what my car would do against his. I don't race my car.
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Originally Posted by RussB
dz, i don't for a minute think that anyone is lying about how their service was or how they were treated as a customer. I've heard first-hand from many a customer about their experiences and have seen other tuners re-reflash stage 2 cars to make real power. why do you think I waited and DIDN'T take my car there for a tune?
i guess what i'm trying to say is... if the customer service and product is that bad, post a bad review and recommend that others don't go there.
this thread has gotten out of hand by people personally going after eachother.
Find any business and I am sure you can find a disgrunteled customer somewhere. And it is obvious from his posts that freddie is one of many disgruntled Vishnu customers. What I find interesting are the responses he gets from Vishnu - many of them are off the scale on the “unprofessional meter”. Seeing this shows the type of vendor they are and can give people an insight to their service/business practices. I think that Shiv has done more damage to his reputation than 100 freddies could have ever hoped to do…