That made me laugh this morning!

 

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mee too. lol

 

Don't waste your cash on over priced supliments with massive roided out bodybuilders endorsing them. Let's see, that would be just about all the supliments on the market. The cold hard truth is, if it's in your genes, you'll be able to put on good muscle and size if you work your *** off in the gym, get PLENTY of sleep, and eat lots of GOOD food.

If it isn't in your genes to be a hulk, and you're the type that's built for speed. The only way you're going to get BIG is to juice up. I'm not saying to do it like a pro body builder does, but a few cycles will get you where you want to be. But do your homework before you start injecting yourself with sugar water (or worse) that some guy sold to you in back alley. I've never done roids, but I have used lots of supliments, that didn't do anything for me except empty out my wallet. Good diet, lots of sleep, and hard work in the gym. You want to look like all the buffed movie stars, athletes, or those huge ripped guys in the gym,...you gotta get on the juice like they did.

 

Roids are for idiots. Besides, if you want to get big that bad you're compensating for something.

Saying you can't gain muscle due to genetics is mostly a cop-out. Genetics gives you strengths and weaknesses, but doesn't keep you at 90lbs soaking wet. You just didn't want it bad enough. If you're one of those bird leg guys with toothpick calves then you can get away with that excuse.

 

drink beer...

 

^^ the two most relevant statements for a fitness n00b! it really is a lifestly change, which is not as easy as it sounds. everything that you are used to (and is probably unhealthy for you) you have to recognize right away, and drop. drinking beer, eating junk food, lounging around. done, out the window. entire day's routine changes just due to the fact that you have to pay attention to what you consume and how much you have to work out. it really teaches you to not eat too much, choose wisely, and exericse more. you'll soon realize that eating is no longer for 'entertainment', so to speak, but more as fueling your body for optimal performance. you gotta learn somehow, might as well be the easy way while we're young. once you figure out your regiment, you can cater your diet to include supplements or not, but you'll know exactly what you need as fuel once youve spent enough time and energy with your fitness.

 

tru dat. the same analogy is true with people who say they are fat due to genetics. you may be genetically predisposed to carry more weight, but the choice is still there to put the food in your mouth, sit around on the couch all day, or both.

 

I love good (non-domestic) beer!

Good point Yin, but you make it sound like you can't enjoy eating anymore. I think moderation is key. You can still enjoy bad foods, just not too often. Makes them taste better when you indulge. It's not as hard as people make out. You can get a lot out of cutting out sodas, chips, and all the other junk food. That's only hard when you get the munchies.

 

Spend your money on food. Nothing beats eating meals and drinking a lot of water.

 

I would suggest changing your lifestyle BEFORE you go into the supplements. Start small with things like drinking atleast 2 liters of water per day, or cutting out all fried foods. Then you can take another step like starting to work out. Don't burn yourself out or go for anything serious like a lifetime $1k gym membership so you don't feel like crap if it doesn't work out.

It takes a LOT of work to look good. You can feel better with minimal effort. Feeling better will build your confidence and that alone will get you more of the results you want than just a better body alone.

In general a cut guy will get more looks than a big guy. It doesn't matter how large you are, if you're cut you'll get looks. Getting cut is 95% diet 4.99% genetics. Don't worry about building mass at first, get cut and look ripped. When I worked out 5 hours a day and played college football I had a decent body. I was never super ripped though and those guys would always get more looks when we'd go out to bars. I was stronger, bigger, and in better shape than they were, but being cut makes you look a LOT better.


How to lose weight: If you're like me you want INSTANT results. I don't want to work out for 2 months to lose/gain 5-10 pounds. After college I thought I wanted to go into the USAF to be a pilot. Computer Science helped me put on 60 pounds to weigh in at 287 lbs with probably high 30% body fat. I went on a "crash" diet of 1200 calories a day over 4-5 meals. I also took every supplement on the shelf (including Ephedra which is VERY legit, but makes you really gittery like massive caffeine with an added warm/hot all the time feeling). In 6 weeks I lost 50 pounds (to 237 from 287) with very minimal exercise. I ended not wanting to be in the Air Force after all, and stopped the diet cold turkey. I haven't worked out a day since then (didn't really work out then either..no weight room just like 75 pushups a day) and I eat like a hog. I continuously eat entire pizzas for dinner and ice cream...whatever. I now weigh about 266. So, yes the weight came back over the course of 2 years, but only at about the rate I gained it the first time.


How I lost 50 pounds in 6 weeks: it's all about creating a caloric deficit. When I weighed in at 287 pounds standing 6'3" I needed to consume almost 4600 calories a day to maintain it. With pizzas for dinner and liters of regular soda that is easier than you think...Throw in a whopper or 2 a day (xtra Mayo) and you're golden. A pound of fat is 3600 calories. If you are eating balanced nutrients and you take in ~3600 calories less than what your body needed that day (and the moon is in the right orbit/your body chemistry and metabolism are normal) you can lose 1 pound. My goal was to lose around 1 pound a day for the first 4 weeks. If I ate 1200 calories a day and lost another 100-200 calories from pushups then I would have my deficit of about 3600 calories for that day. I also wasn't drinking enough water however and I was losing water weight to (which is not good).


This 3600 calorie pound of fat is why most normal sized people can't lose crazy weight without starving themselves. Say someone is sized to where they really only need 2000 calories a day...how long do you think it should really take them to create a 3600 calorie deficit? Probably 2-3 days..which is why normal/avg sized people should really only lose a couple pounds a week. If you're a big person and you NEED a lot of calories to stay that big, then you can create a larger deficit and still maintain your body while losing massive amounts of lard off your ***.

 

Bodybuilding is 90% diet, so take this part seriously. Ephedrine is a stimulant and an appetite supressant, so it will help you to expend more energy and consume less. Creatine can be a useful supplement, but make sure you're dedicated. I would wait until you stop seeing gains to give things a little kick start.

A common mistake people do when trying to "loose weight" is to do too much cardio. It's good as a warmup, but if you're trying to loose FAT (as opposed to losing weight) don't do too much. Reason is that once you use all the glycogen up in your body, it turns to the most readily available power source, which is your muscle mass, not your fat mass. You want to keep your muscle, probably.

the best way to "loose weight" is to put on lean muscle mass, which will increase the amount of calories your body expends in everything it does, including its resting state.

I'm not saying don't do cardio, but if you're looking to trim up, i'd reccomend a warm up of MAXIMUM 30 (I do between 15-20) minutes of cardio to get the blood flowing and then hit the weights.

Also, calcium is a good supplement to take because having strong bones is essential to support stronger muscles.
Glucosamine/msm/chrondroiton is also something that I would reccomend, but there doesn't seem to be any real proof that it does anything at all.
a good multivitamin is also essential.

www.davedraper.com has some excellent writups, forums and he's got HANDS DOWN the best whey powder available.

Oh, and go easy on the carbs :P
(and watch the high fructose corn syrup)

 

Very good points in this thread, its sad that most of america isnt aware that in order to lose weight/gain mucscle you must change your lifestyle. You cant take a bottle of hydroxycut while loafing on the couch and expect to see results. You have to work your butt off, unless you're blessed with great genes

 

everyone around me is using creatin (however you spell it). just dont go overboard with that stuff. but im in support of not using any of these kind of enhancments and spend your money on better food or something.