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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 02:10 PM
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Supplements for weight lifting?

I'm interested in getting on some supplements for weight lifting. I want to gain some more muscle mass and lose some fat while I'm at it. Any insight on what I should get on?

I'm looking to get on creatine, but not sure what else is out there or where to buy it? (I'd rather buy online). I read Brucelee's post about Ephedrine and it seems like it's legit, but I'm not exactly sure what it's main purpose is?

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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 02:16 PM
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check out bodybuilder.com, my fiance takes supplements and stuff, I drink soy protein shakes (yuck). He learned alot from the forums on bodybuilder.com.
Old Jan 10, 2006 | 02:27 PM
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You want LOTS of real protien (chicken, beef, fish) more than 1gram per pound of body weight to pack on muscle. Eat 6 meals a day and when you cant have a real meal, supplement with Whey protien shakes (myoplex, cytosport, mucsle tech, etc..). The protien shakes should have between 40-60grams of whey protien and all kinds of other vitamins and stuff. If you can manage 4-6 meals a day with a good lifting routine you will see gains.

Creatine is a good weight gainer and strength gainer, but it is mostly extra water weight. Drink LOTS of water when on creatine, I think its hard on your kidneys (especially with all the protien). I think I gained 15lbs in 2-3 weeks on the creatine.

For weight loss, do cardio and dont cheat on your diet.
Old Jan 10, 2006 | 02:32 PM
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balco. it works for barry bonds.
Old Jan 10, 2006 | 02:33 PM
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Yeah man, JUICE it up!!
Old Jan 10, 2006 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by subie OCD
If you can manage 4-6 meals a day with a good lifting routine you will see gains.
Get ready to take 4-6 craps a day for the first 4-6 weeks (until your metabolism catches up)...
Old Jan 10, 2006 | 06:13 PM
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Screw supplements. Focus on actually working out and your diet for results that last.

Weight gainer is for lazy asses and speed freaks.
Old Jan 10, 2006 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by pink-i-wagon
Focus on actually working out and your diet for results that last.
yup.

i'd only recommend supplements once you know what you're doing and know what you want.
Old Jan 10, 2006 | 07:03 PM
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i work out 4-5 times a week now, i wieghed 247 on 10-25-05 as of 1-10-06 im down to 220 and gained alot of muscle mass,

if your over wight diet first, cutting calories is the most important thing i stay within 1200/1500 cal per day, eat a balance of clean protiens and basic carbs ideal is 4-6 small meals a day

as far a suplements whey protien is ideal ive tried them all and ON 100% whey is by far the best tasting, it will help speed up recovery time and build mass

i belive creatine is the best supplement money can buy try a creatine ethyl ester HCL (CEE) rather than the creatine monohydrate, regular creatine monohydrate is absorbed poorly by the body and its effectiveness is dependant upon the cells ability to absorb it. The poor absorption rate of regular creatine monohydrate requires the creatine user to ingest large dosages of creatine to achieve desired effect. Because creatine draws water to the cell, and because most ingested creatine monohydrate is not absorbed, unabsorbed creatine will sit outside of the target cell with the water, and this will result in the "creatine bloat."
if you have any question feel free to PM me, James
Old Jan 10, 2006 | 07:03 PM
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If you are looking to gain muscle and lose fat you don't need supplements. Weight lifting combined with cardio and a balanced diet will get you where you want to be. Its not a 15 minute-a-day type of deal...its a complete lifestyle change. Spend the money you would have spent on supplements on a personal trainer.
Old Jan 10, 2006 | 07:05 PM
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also take a good multi vitamin i recomend GNC mega man
Old Jan 10, 2006 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by mbquarts
If you are looking to gain muscle and lose fat you don't need supplements. Weight lifting combined with cardio and a balanced diet will get you where you want to be. Its not a 15 minute-a-day type of deal...its a complete lifestyle change. Spend the money you would have spent on supplements on a personal trainer.


If you are seeking optimal muscle gains and/or fat loss, supplement is especially helpful to take the place of several of the 6 meals you should be eating. If you can eat 6 whole-food meals a day, bless you. With the demands of our culture and lifestyle I don't know of anyone who can consume 6 whole-food meals a day.

The intensity and the metabolic demand of resistance training, particularly one which is actually effective enough to increase appreciable muscle mass, require more nutrient than the above post implies. Although it is true that whole-food meals can solely and effectively be used to build muscle mass, no one can consume such perfect meal composition for 6 times a day. Supplements such as protein powder or meal-replacements can make the effort realistic.

The average nutritionist or dietician continues to underestimate the need for continual replenishment of quality protein and other nutrients for workout recovery and tissue rebuilding. The training and eating lifestyle for looking your best is already very challenging -- make it a little more easy on yourself by adding a quality protein or meal-replacement powder supplement to your diet.

As far as creatine is concerned: If you are new, its consumption is not so critical. Get some training experience under your belt. Spend money on quality whole foods, protein supplements, multivitamin and mineral supplement, and some good essential fatty acids (Omega 3s).

Then, when you think you're ready, then buy some creatine. Your initial weight gain will be fluid osmosis, or water moving into your muscle fibers (not the same as the unwanted "bloat" many people commonly confuse as the creatine effect). Eventually a portion of that fluid gets replaced with true muscle contents.

Also, if saving a few bucks on supplements can buy you a personal trainer, then that personal trainer isn't worth the rust on a dumbbell. A good personal trainer will often be in the neighborhood of $50 to $95 per one-hour session -- if you are lucky enough to find one who's good. Many of them are the wimpy, over-zealous, intellectually-pretentious, weekend-certified "professionals" who will waste most of your time putting you on a big rubber ball as though you are some circus seal.

Go to Bodybuilding.com. Go to T-nation.com. Read something by Charles Poliquinne, Christian Thibaudeau, Christian Finn, Dave Tate, and, for nutrition, John Berardi and Jose Antonio. Do a little research and a lot of studying.

If you can afford a REAL personal trainer, look on nsca-lift.org for referals.

Goodluck.

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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 10:17 PM
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heres so more good info

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=538637
Old Jan 10, 2006 | 11:19 PM
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OCD and powerband have some good info, coming from a nutrition major.

Most suplaments are just a waste of money. A good multi vitamin, exercise routine and diet will do wonders for you. Creatine is ok for short periods of time.
Old Jan 11, 2006 | 07:31 AM
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