SB1449 Reduced Offense for Pot Possession

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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by nokio
There isn't a good way to test on the spot, for instance a police officer pulling someone over (besides the glassy eyes and empty Cheeto bag in the passenger seat). In terms of testing for jobs they have been doing that for a long time via urine and hair sample tests that take a week or two to complete once collected. Many companies already screen for marijuana as well as a multitude of other drugs via these tests and have done so successfully for a while now.
The problem is in the fact that if a worker came in drunk or high on a narcotic, an employer could test for that basically on the spot. If a worker comes in stoned, an employer can't test how "high" they are at that time, but THC remains in the body for 30 days max.. A worker can say that they were using marijuana on their days off or after work, and under the pretext that it is legal in the eyes of the state, the worker is pretty much free to be "high" at work.

I am pro marijuana, but I wouldn't want my employees (if i was an owner) coming into work stoned all the time without a way for me to effectively test for it (unless they were just as effective as other workers). It is already hard for employers to fire workers for sucking in California, so if you could effectively prove that your crappy worker was high on the job, the employer would have more reason to fire the worker. But as I said before... there is no effective way to test for it, unfortunately.
Old Oct 1, 2010 | 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by eastbaysubaru
But what's the difference between Prop 19 and Prop 215, which already passed, in regards to the Drug Free Workplace federal program?

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Sorry if I don't answer your question, but I'll try my best as to how I understand your question.

Prop. 215 basically legalized the use of marijuana in California for medicinal purposes (i.e., prescribed by doctors, physicians, etc.) It literally made it legal if prescribed by doctors, without really getting into trouble with the law (but it was still considered illegal for other users without valid physics notice).


The fact is, under state law, Marijuana will be LEGAL under small amounts 28.5g for personal use, selling (licensed), cultivation, etc. BUT, it is still illegal under federal law. Regardless of the amount you have, even medicinal users aren't exempt (though they might be in the state of california) FBI/DEA still can and will arrest you for use, sell, and cultivation. So with the federal work program, regardless of it passing in california, it is still illegal within federal law. FBI/DEA will be well within their rights to arrest your ***...but they have better things to do than going door to door catching you smoking pot on the spot...


I hope that answered your question...lol
Old Oct 1, 2010 | 11:38 PM
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yup,something something Federal law wins everytime
Old Oct 2, 2010 | 07:15 AM
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Old Oct 5, 2010 | 08:57 AM
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Old Oct 5, 2010 | 09:21 AM
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Watch the movie "the union." It's a pretty well made documentary supporting all of Traxamillion's statements. The hemp plant itself is actually the best natural fiber in the world, not to mention the thousand other beneficial uses for it. I'm not voting for prop 19. Who wants government subsidies on anything? I surely don't want the government growing my medicine.

And to darkjuice... Why does the DEA etc waste so much time on marijuana? It's asinine how many tax dollars go to this "war on drugs." If marijuana was decriminalized there would be no incentive for the marijuana trafficking that goes on today. When has prohibition ever worked? Just some things to think about!
Old Oct 5, 2010 | 09:26 AM
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I'm going to get flamed for this, but it IS addicting. I read a bunch of studies on this because of a bet with a friend. Also, my friend's mom is a lung doctor. She said that people who smoke weed have much worse lung problems than those who smoke regular cigarettes (probably because they never use a filter).

Even with all that, people should be able to do what they want with themselves, so I could care less. It shouldn't be a criminal offense. I think they should put some provision that people have to stop if it's bothering someone around them though. I think I'm allergic to it because the smell of it makes me nauseous.
Old Oct 5, 2010 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by xdeathwishx
I'm going to get flamed for this, but it IS addicting. I read a bunch of studies on this because of a bet with a friend. Also, my friend's mom is a lung doctor. She said that people who smoke weed have much worse lung problems than those who smoke regular cigarettes (probably because they never use a filter).

Even with all that, people should be able to do what they want with themselves, so I could care less. It shouldn't be a criminal offense. I think they should put some provision that people have to stop if it's bothering someone around them though. I think I'm allergic to it because the smell of it makes me nauseous.
So here's addiction defined:The state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma.

An addiction is described as not being able to function without the substance, resulting in severe withdrawal. So you saying pot is addictive is a complete lie. Who did these studies? There's no funding for testing of marijuana.

It's really the same as any other recreational thing. Too much is abuse. Someone can have a drink once in a while, but alcoholism is a serious issue. There is no marijuana-ism. Marijuana has never been proven ONCE to have addictive properties. How many people smoke pot and crash their cars killing others? How many people leave their families because of their pot addiction? The answer is none.

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Old Oct 5, 2010 | 09:44 AM
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I can't find the study I was talking about. It had something to do with the fact that some of the same chemical reactions happen in the brain with tobacco and marijuana.

Either way, here's another one I just found.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/95165.php
Old Oct 5, 2010 | 09:56 AM
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"These results indicate that some marijuana users experience withdrawal effects when they try to quit, and that these effects should be considered by clinicians treating people with problems related to heavy marijuana use."

These studies sure like to use the words "some," or "may." I used pot for 3 years and quit for 2 years, never had one of the symptoms claimed. And once again, the word HEAVY is brought up. What does that even mean? 30 joints a day? Why do they never claim exact THC dosage?

What exactly do tobacco and marijuana have in common? Nothing. Cigarette tobacco is grown in government subsidized soil with RADIOACTIVE chemicals. Marijuana is generally grown outdoors organically in rich nitrate soil, or hydroponically indoors. They love to bunch pot in with tobacco, but let's be serious here, they are completely different things that affect our bodies in completely different ways. Tetra-hydrocarbon is an ORGANIC carbon molecule comprised of C21 H3 02, almost the same structure as a sugar molecule. Ever wondered what nicotine is? Do you know what the leading killer in the world is? Cigarettes. How many people in the history of mankind have been documented dying from marijuana? Not even one.

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Good points.
Old Oct 5, 2010 | 12:27 PM
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Yeah, Prop 19 isn't gonna make marijuana entirely legal. I know a lot of people are just saying "yeah, might as well legalize it" but no. There's some twists to it. The ones who are gonna be affected the most by the passing of Prop 19 are the dispensaries and cannabis patients including myself. It's all a big Tax scheme. California is fine the way it is right now under Prop 215 that has been state law for 13 years.

http://crusadersforpatientsrights.or...n_Prop_19.html

http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f15/...op-19-a-22379/

^ read the myths# on the second link, or if you care to read the whole page..
Old Oct 5, 2010 | 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by LazyKidd209
Yeah, Prop 19 isn't gonna make marijuana entirely legal. I know a lot of people are just saying "yeah, might as well legalize it" but no. There's some twists to it. The ones who are gonna be affected the most by the passing of Prop 19 are the dispensaries and cannabis patients including myself. It's all a big Tax scheme. California is fine the way it is right now under Prop 215 that has been state law for 13 years.

http://crusadersforpatientsrights.or...n_Prop_19.html

http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f15/...op-19-a-22379/

^ read the myths# on the second link, or if you care to read the whole page..
All true. Being a cannabis supporter myself I don't agree with prop 19. I assure you taxing marijuana is not a solution to California's lobbyists spending more than we can budget. Marijuana is already decriminalized here in California. Prop-19 will do nothing on the Federal scale, and the Government will seize control of the marijuana industry monopolizing it. Not to mention all the sneaky innuendo wrought all through that proposition, people need to educate themselves.

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