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So apparently clutch kits come with new pressure plates. I think it's a safe assumption that the stage 1 clutch kit does make the clutch peddle harder to push.
Subaru flywheels are also nit-picky when it comes to resurfacing. Some suffer no issues, while others will function improperly. For the odds at stake, I personally would just buy a brand new flywheel every time (as I have been doing). It all depends on how precise and good the shop that is doing resurfacing is.
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SS lines are all made in a very similar way. Pre cut coils of ss braided lines, and a machine crimper. If the production is done up to par, then you have nothing to worry about. I have my ebay ss clutch line for less than 20 bucks, been using it for close to 2 years now, no problem. Some companies resell the same lines for a higher price because they chose to stock it (hence the reason why I bought the ebay one, because it was the exact same one some distributors were selling.)
The kit WITH the pressure plate will trade off a heavier/stiffer pedal feel and feedback because of the heavier tension on the pressure plate. If you use your stock pressure plate with the new clutch, then it will not be as stiff. Now that is optional, but its better to use new parts anyways since the cost of labor for this is a sufficient amount. The kit should come with a pressure plate, throw out bearing, alignment tool, and clutch disk. Fly wheel would be separate.
Subaru flywheels are also nit-picky when it comes to resurfacing. Some suffer no issues, while others will function improperly. For the odds at stake, I personally would just buy a brand new flywheel every time (as I have been doing). It all depends on how precise and good the shop that is doing resurfacing is.
The kit WITH the pressure plate will trade off a heavier/stiffer pedal feel and feedback because of the heavier tension on the pressure plate. If you use your stock pressure plate with the new clutch, then it will not be as stiff. Now that is optional, but its better to use new parts anyways since the cost of labor for this is a sufficient amount. The kit should come with a pressure plate, throw out bearing, alignment tool, and clutch disk. Fly wheel would be separate.
Subaru flywheels are also nit-picky when it comes to resurfacing. Some suffer no issues, while others will function improperly. For the odds at stake, I personally would just buy a brand new flywheel every time (as I have been doing). It all depends on how precise and good the shop that is doing resurfacing is.
The clutch kit also comes with a new pilot bearing. I will definitely make it clear that all provided parts are to be used.
Define: "function improperly" Resurfacing flywheels is the norm. Replacing them is not, so it's going to take some doing to convince me otherwise.
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Tilletts did the clutch today. Loved the Legacy GT wagon they gave me as a free loaner. They called late morning to let me know that my DS ball joint needed to be replaced as the boot was ripped wide open. I was stoked when they quoted me ~$45 for the part and half an hour of labor. I asked them to keep the old parts for me and go for it. During that call, the nice lady also said she had mistakenly quoted me one hour less of labor. I asked if she could honor the quote and she said she would have to check with her Dad, but later when she called me to let me know it was ready to be picked up, she told me they'd only be charging me what I was quoted. Sweet! The new clutch feels a lot easier to disengage. I almost wonder if maybe I did have the stage 1 kit installed last time. Oh well, I'm sure it will handle my stage 2 "power" regardless, and it's like half the price. Maybe the new SS line and fluid is the difference? It's kinda hard to push for the first inch or two and then it just slams into the floor since I'm not used to it. Seems good other than that though.
Also, I got a nice PM from FLI. They saw this thread and it seems that the gentleman that emailed me the really high quote wasn't normally working in that position and he made a mistake and overpriced the quote so perhaps FLI wouldn't have cost over twice as much after all. I told them that I'd absolutely keep checking with them for future work I need done. It was a really nice and professional PM and I thanked him for it.
Anyway, I'm really impressed with Tilletts. The only thing I wish they would have told me ahead of time is that they offer no warranty when you provide your own parts. I noticed a sign on the wall when I picked up the car that stated no labor warranty for customer supplied parts and they printed it on my receipt too. I actually asked the lady when I called for the quote if there was any downside to providing my own parts, like would they fix it if failed due to an installation issue and she said they would. I guess I should have asked what their warranty is when I supply my own parts. Shouldn't be an issue though. Stoked on getting all of the parts and labor for all of the work covered for under a grand.
Also, I got a nice PM from FLI. They saw this thread and it seems that the gentleman that emailed me the really high quote wasn't normally working in that position and he made a mistake and overpriced the quote so perhaps FLI wouldn't have cost over twice as much after all. I told them that I'd absolutely keep checking with them for future work I need done. It was a really nice and professional PM and I thanked him for it.
Anyway, I'm really impressed with Tilletts. The only thing I wish they would have told me ahead of time is that they offer no warranty when you provide your own parts. I noticed a sign on the wall when I picked up the car that stated no labor warranty for customer supplied parts and they printed it on my receipt too. I actually asked the lady when I called for the quote if there was any downside to providing my own parts, like would they fix it if failed due to an installation issue and she said they would. I guess I should have asked what their warranty is when I supply my own parts. Shouldn't be an issue though. Stoked on getting all of the parts and labor for all of the work covered for under a grand.
Like I said, I needed the SS line by today and it came today. But even if that weren't the case, I'll gladly pay an extra $10 to get a reputable brand from a reputable vendor. And when we're talking about reliability of a part, saying that yours has never failed is like saying that it's safe to screw hookers with no condom because you've been successful at it. You could easily just be lucky...for now.
The clutch kit also comes with a new pilot bearing. I will definitely make it clear that all provided parts are to be used.
Define: "function improperly" Resurfacing flywheels is the norm. Replacing them is not, so it's going to take some doing to convince me otherwise.
The clutch kit also comes with a new pilot bearing. I will definitely make it clear that all provided parts are to be used.
Define: "function improperly" Resurfacing flywheels is the norm. Replacing them is not, so it's going to take some doing to convince me otherwise.
I already stated it came with the throw out bearing, if you had noticed.
Resurfacing flywheels are the norm...sure, but not every flywheel is the same is it. Depending on some shops that do the work, they would firmly believe in not resurfacing the flywheel and to just buy a new one, even when they dont sell parts. It just depends if it was measured and done correctly within spec. Subaru fly wheels are dual mass. You can do more research if you really want. I already told you what you needed to know. Hope your clutch job delivers.
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LOL we aren't talking about rocket science parts, we are talking about ss braided lines........but even then, I don't get lucky with my parts, I just buy things I know that works for a fact. I examine the part rather than depending on a face or a name. Just because its ebay, doesnt mean its bad quality. Theres plenty of vendors that sell the same stuff, regardless of what manufacturing facilities it came from.
I already stated it came with the throw out bearing, if you had noticed.
Resurfacing flywheels are the norm...sure, but not every flywheel is the same is it. Depending on some shops that do the work, they would firmly believe in not resurfacing the flywheel and to just buy a new one, even when they dont sell parts. It just depends if it was measured and done correctly within spec. Subaru fly wheels are dual mass. You can do more research if you really want. I already told you what you needed to know. Hope your clutch job delivers.
I already stated it came with the throw out bearing, if you had noticed.
Resurfacing flywheels are the norm...sure, but not every flywheel is the same is it. Depending on some shops that do the work, they would firmly believe in not resurfacing the flywheel and to just buy a new one, even when they dont sell parts. It just depends if it was measured and done correctly within spec. Subaru fly wheels are dual mass. You can do more research if you really want. I already told you what you needed to know. Hope your clutch job delivers.

I never said that ebay means bad quality. I kinda feel like you're choosing to not understand what I was saying, but to each their own, for sure.You did already state that it came with a throw out bearing, and the saying is, "if you hadn't noticed." I did notice it. You can stop pointing it out now.
I can't really follow your third paragraph but thanks for telling me what I need to know. lol
It's all good man. I know you're just trying to help. Cheers.
Hey Cody. I didn't even realize that was you when I replied to this thread. The sonic yellow wagon should have given it away. 
Good to know about Tillett's. I have a mechanic that I'm pretty loyal to since he saved me a lot of money back in the day, but he isn't a Subaru specialist. Good to know the best alternatives.

Good to know about Tillett's. I have a mechanic that I'm pretty loyal to since he saved me a lot of money back in the day, but he isn't a Subaru specialist. Good to know the best alternatives.
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Hey Cody. I didn't even realize that was you when I replied to this thread. The sonic yellow wagon should have given it away. 
Good to know about Tillett's. I have a mechanic that I'm pretty loyal to since he saved me a lot of money back in the day, but he isn't a Subaru specialist. Good to know the best alternatives.

Good to know about Tillett's. I have a mechanic that I'm pretty loyal to since he saved me a lot of money back in the day, but he isn't a Subaru specialist. Good to know the best alternatives.
The clutch felt way better this morning. The tension on the peddal feels much more consistent and the clutch feels super grabby (like I keep stalling the car), but that's probably because my old clutch was so slippery. Can't wait to finish breaking it in so I can see how a real launch on it feels.

Next autocross is on the 25th!

One last question, looking at the clutch they removed, there appears to be a lot of meat left on it. Could it just have been glazed from launching?
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