Question: Will the plane fly? (warning: nerdy)
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Sea planes don't have wheels, nor do bush planes in the winter (they have skis)
Nope they really don't need wheels to take off, (see above references) but they do need them in order to move across solid ground at anything less than flight-speed.
If the wheels had any driving force behind them you would be right, but they don't, so the treadmill doesn't render them useless, they still keep the fuselage from grinding on, and getting beat up by the treadmill.
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sure they do. Hunt For Red October anyone? 
Looks ma, no wheels!
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Ok, so I get the arguement as to why it could take off, but I still have a question. Why do planes have wheels?
According to your theory planes do not need wheels to take off.
The treadmill would render the wheels effectively useless, meaning the plane would not roll forward.
According to your theory planes do not need wheels to take off.
The treadmill would render the wheels effectively useless, meaning the plane would not roll forward.
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But, if the wheels are the contact point to the solid surface they would need to be moving forward to allow the plane to reach flight speed. If the treadmill could counteract the force of the wheel how would the plane reach flight speed?
Just for the record I do agree with you because I dont believe there is a treadmill type of device that would be able to adjust speeds enough to keep the plane from moving forward.
However, if, in theory, they could negate the contact point between the plane and the ground. The plane would never reach a speed that would allow it to create the lift needed to take off.
EX: if the plane was hooked to stilts, then run to "top speed" and let go. It would not take off.
The problem becomes the wheels. A plane wouldnt need them to take off, but because the plane has them it needs them as the contact point with the ground.
Just for the record I do agree with you because I dont believe there is a treadmill type of device that would be able to adjust speeds enough to keep the plane from moving forward.
However, if, in theory, they could negate the contact point between the plane and the ground. The plane would never reach a speed that would allow it to create the lift needed to take off.
EX: if the plane was hooked to stilts, then run to "top speed" and let go. It would not take off.
The problem becomes the wheels. A plane wouldnt need them to take off, but because the plane has them it needs them as the contact point with the ground.
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I get that it is advanced logic, but I have thought this through, you just dont seem to understand that the wheels become a crutch.
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But, if the wheels are the contact point to the solid surface they would need to be moving forward to allow the plane to reach flight speed. If the treadmill could counteract the force of the wheel how would the plane reach flight speed?
Just for the record I do agree with you because I dont believe there is a treadmill type of device that would be able to adjust speeds enough to keep the plane from moving forward.
However, if, in theory, they could negate the contact point between the plane and the ground. The plane would never reach a speed that would allow it to create the lift needed to take off.
EX: if the plane was hooked to stilts, then run to "top speed" and let go. It would not take off.
The problem becomes the wheels. A plane wouldnt need them to take off, but because the plane has them it needs them as the contact point with the ground.
Just for the record I do agree with you because I dont believe there is a treadmill type of device that would be able to adjust speeds enough to keep the plane from moving forward.
However, if, in theory, they could negate the contact point between the plane and the ground. The plane would never reach a speed that would allow it to create the lift needed to take off.
EX: if the plane was hooked to stilts, then run to "top speed" and let go. It would not take off.
The problem becomes the wheels. A plane wouldnt need them to take off, but because the plane has them it needs them as the contact point with the ground.
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I did, and Im not saying a plane needs them to take off. However, because it does have the wheels it needs them to function. If a treadmill can counter act the wheels the plane cant move forward.
I get that it is advanced logic, but I have thought this through, you just don't seem to understand that the wheels become a crutch.
I get that it is advanced logic, but I have thought this through, you just don't seem to understand that the wheels become a crutch.
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And before any of you public skool flunkies attempt to bring up the idea that the wheels would spin toooo fast and fail...I bring you Tundra Tires!!!
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You dont need to go around calling me names. It makes you look foolish.
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Yes but a standard passanger jet functions on horizontal thrust, not vertical like a rocket would. The wheels become the rotating point for that thrust. If that thrust is counteracted through the wheels the plane wont move forward.
You dont need to go around calling me names. It makes you look foolish.
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Yes but a standard passanger jet functions on horizontal thrust, not vertical like a rocket would. The wheels become the rotating point for that thrust. If that thrust is counteracted through the wheels the plane wont move forward.
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This becomes the point where the forward thrust of the engines is transfered. If this contact point is negated through a treadmill nothing allows the plane to move forward.
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I understand that the wheels arent creating any force. However the engines are. The contact point between the plane and the ground is the wheels.
This becomes the point where the forward thrust of the engines is transfered. If this contact point is negated through a treadmill nothing allows the plane to move forward.
This becomes the point where the forward thrust of the engines is transfered. If this contact point is negated through a treadmill nothing allows the plane to move forward.
The plane takes off. The force is acting on the air not the ground. The ground speed is irrelevant as to whether the plane will take off. It's airspeed that determines if a plane takes off.