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Bad decision. Guessing he didn't know how long the passing lane was, but the decision to go around was the wrong one. There's nothing to learn, it shouldn't have happened in the first place.
I wouldn't have posted a video that runs borderline of a bad choice or not.
From the view provided you can't actually tell how much visibility the driver had and for how long, or his position relative to the other car next to him. The video was also slowed down to display the line cross, so there is no accurate representation of time here.
This doesn't mean I approve, it just means it is POSSIBLE that the lane merge came quick and without warning, and the two cars were alongside each other but the left car was traveling faster. So the driver erred on the cautious side and kept his speed to quickly get back in line. With enough visibility ahead keeping in the other lane briefly can also be an acceptable choice so as not to put the driver on the right in a panic situation where the gap between the cars is closing fast. The video doesn't provide adequate evidence in either direction, as such I wouldn't have posted it because you can't say with certainty the choices made were the wrong ones.
You can easily argue they should just slow down and drive at a safe speed around other vehicles and this situation would never arise, but that's a bit of a larger issue and not what the OP seemed to be trying to discuss.
EDIT: It's clear to me after watching the video several times, hard braking to stay behind the other 2 cars was too far gone by the time the merge happened, and that the WRX started to brake to slot in between the two cars, which would have been the safest and most responsible choice, but either because of bad judgement or a sudden change in visibility ahead combined with the 2nd car moving to the far right side of the road, chose to pass.
From the view provided you can't actually tell how much visibility the driver had and for how long, or his position relative to the other car next to him. The video was also slowed down to display the line cross, so there is no accurate representation of time here.
This doesn't mean I approve, it just means it is POSSIBLE that the lane merge came quick and without warning, and the two cars were alongside each other but the left car was traveling faster. So the driver erred on the cautious side and kept his speed to quickly get back in line. With enough visibility ahead keeping in the other lane briefly can also be an acceptable choice so as not to put the driver on the right in a panic situation where the gap between the cars is closing fast. The video doesn't provide adequate evidence in either direction, as such I wouldn't have posted it because you can't say with certainty the choices made were the wrong ones.
You can easily argue they should just slow down and drive at a safe speed around other vehicles and this situation would never arise, but that's a bit of a larger issue and not what the OP seemed to be trying to discuss.
EDIT: It's clear to me after watching the video several times, hard braking to stay behind the other 2 cars was too far gone by the time the merge happened, and that the WRX started to brake to slot in between the two cars, which would have been the safest and most responsible choice, but either because of bad judgement or a sudden change in visibility ahead combined with the 2nd car moving to the far right side of the road, chose to pass.
Last edited by frost0fractal; May 5, 2014 at 06:39 PM.
If in doubt, FLAT OUT
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I wouldn't have posted a video that runs borderline of a bad choice or not.
From the view provided you can't actually tell how much visibility the driver had and for how long, or his position relative to the other car next to him. The video was also slowed down to display the line cross, so there is no accurate representation of time here.
This doesn't mean I approve, it just means it is POSSIBLE that the lane merge came quick and without warning, and the two cars were alongside each other but the left car was traveling faster. So the driver erred on the cautious side and kept his speed to quickly get back in line. With enough visibility ahead keeping in the other lane briefly can also be an acceptable choice so as not to put the driver on the right in a panic situation where the gap between the cars is closing fast. The video doesn't provide adequate evidence in either direction, as such I wouldn't have posted it because you can't say with certainty the choices made were the wrong ones.
You can easily argue they should just slow down and drive at a safe speed around other vehicles and this situation would never arise, but that's a bit of a larger issue and not what the OP seemed to be trying to discuss.
From the view provided you can't actually tell how much visibility the driver had and for how long, or his position relative to the other car next to him. The video was also slowed down to display the line cross, so there is no accurate representation of time here.
This doesn't mean I approve, it just means it is POSSIBLE that the lane merge came quick and without warning, and the two cars were alongside each other but the left car was traveling faster. So the driver erred on the cautious side and kept his speed to quickly get back in line. With enough visibility ahead keeping in the other lane briefly can also be an acceptable choice so as not to put the driver on the right in a panic situation where the gap between the cars is closing fast. The video doesn't provide adequate evidence in either direction, as such I wouldn't have posted it because you can't say with certainty the choices made were the wrong ones.
You can easily argue they should just slow down and drive at a safe speed around other vehicles and this situation would never arise, but that's a bit of a larger issue and not what the OP seemed to be trying to discuss.
When he tapped his brakes he was clearly behind the car in front and DEFINITELY had time to back off and get between them without crossing the double line. I don't even see that as open to debate, because the video clearly shows that. As for visibility, he was completely in the left lane and would have seen the passing lane ending. I've driven that road literally thousands of times. This was a bad decision.
Last edited by frost0fractal; May 5, 2014 at 06:41 PM.
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The sheer irony of the original post made me leave this comment:
I was the lead car in this group. We normally go quite early in the mornings, and for the most part, there is very light to no traffic. With that being said, OP, posting this video and calling Doc Neon out was the most juvenile thing to do. If you had a set, you would've handled it either through pm or face to face.
We were gathered at the gas station chatting when I saw your group of 3 (?) cars show up, and park behind the gas station. I believe it was a M3 (your car), a WRB hatch, and I think a dark colored BRZ. You didn't say hi, and that's totally ok (even though you most likely know we were forum members).
When we departed, another member in our group told me that your group scrambled to your cars to catch up with us (yes, we are a cool bunch of friendly guys).
Your vid shows nothing, other than a simple misjudgment by Doc in distance and speed. We've ALL had those. Panic braking mid-pass wouldve made things worse; the car on the right would've freaked out and possibly rear ended or sideswiped Doc.
Over breakfast, everyone was telling me how you (the M3) and the other cars in your group were driving like asshats. You guys were constantly riding up on people's bumpers, leaving no margin.
Frankly, I think you were probably harrassing him enough to **** him off and this pressured him to get away from you. Hell, if I was in Doc's position I would've straight up brake checked you.
And so you join this forum and your first post is to call someone out on something that you instigated? bravo....
flame away, i dont care lol
I was the lead car in this group. We normally go quite early in the mornings, and for the most part, there is very light to no traffic. With that being said, OP, posting this video and calling Doc Neon out was the most juvenile thing to do. If you had a set, you would've handled it either through pm or face to face.
We were gathered at the gas station chatting when I saw your group of 3 (?) cars show up, and park behind the gas station. I believe it was a M3 (your car), a WRB hatch, and I think a dark colored BRZ. You didn't say hi, and that's totally ok (even though you most likely know we were forum members).
When we departed, another member in our group told me that your group scrambled to your cars to catch up with us (yes, we are a cool bunch of friendly guys).Your vid shows nothing, other than a simple misjudgment by Doc in distance and speed. We've ALL had those. Panic braking mid-pass wouldve made things worse; the car on the right would've freaked out and possibly rear ended or sideswiped Doc.
Over breakfast, everyone was telling me how you (the M3) and the other cars in your group were driving like asshats. You guys were constantly riding up on people's bumpers, leaving no margin.
Frankly, I think you were probably harrassing him enough to **** him off and this pressured him to get away from you. Hell, if I was in Doc's position I would've straight up brake checked you. And so you join this forum and your first post is to call someone out on something that you instigated? bravo....
flame away, i dont care lol
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I wouldn't have posted a video that runs borderline of a bad choice or not.
From the view provided you can't actually tell how much visibility the driver had and for how long, or his position relative to the other car next to him. The video was also slowed down to display the line cross, so there is no accurate representation of time here.
This doesn't mean I approve, it just means it is POSSIBLE that the lane merge came quick and without warning, and the two cars were alongside each other but the left car was traveling faster. So the driver erred on the cautious side and kept his speed to quickly get back in line. With enough visibility ahead keeping in the other lane briefly can also be an acceptable choice so as not to put the driver on the right in a panic situation where the gap between the cars is closing fast. The video doesn't provide adequate evidence in either direction, as such I wouldn't have posted it because you can't say with certainty the choices made were the wrong ones.
You can easily argue they should just slow down and drive at a safe speed around other vehicles and this situation would never arise, but that's a bit of a larger issue and not what the OP seemed to be trying to discuss.
From the view provided you can't actually tell how much visibility the driver had and for how long, or his position relative to the other car next to him. The video was also slowed down to display the line cross, so there is no accurate representation of time here.
This doesn't mean I approve, it just means it is POSSIBLE that the lane merge came quick and without warning, and the two cars were alongside each other but the left car was traveling faster. So the driver erred on the cautious side and kept his speed to quickly get back in line. With enough visibility ahead keeping in the other lane briefly can also be an acceptable choice so as not to put the driver on the right in a panic situation where the gap between the cars is closing fast. The video doesn't provide adequate evidence in either direction, as such I wouldn't have posted it because you can't say with certainty the choices made were the wrong ones.
You can easily argue they should just slow down and drive at a safe speed around other vehicles and this situation would never arise, but that's a bit of a larger issue and not what the OP seemed to be trying to discuss.
The sheer irony of this post made me leave this comment:
I was the lead car in this group. We normally go quite early in the mornings, and for the most part, there is very light to no traffic. With that being said, OP, posting this video and calling Doc Neon out was the most idiotic thing to do. If you had a set, you would've handled it either through pm or face to face.
We were gathered at the gas station chatting when I saw your group of 3 (?) cars show up, and park behind the gas station. I believe it was a M3 (your car), a WRB hatch, and I think a dark colored BRZ. You didn't say hi, and that's totally ok (even though you most likely know we were forum members). When we departed, another member in our group told me that your group scrambled to your cars to catch up with us (yes, we are a cool bunch of friendly guys).
Your vid shows nothing, other than a simple misjudgment by Doc in distance and speed. We've ALL had those. Panic braking mid-pass wouldve made things worse; the car on the right would've freaked out and possibly rear ended or sideswiped Doc.
Over breakfast, everyone was telling me how you (the M3) and the other cars in your group were driving like asshats. You guys were constantly riding up on people's bumpers, leaving no margin. Frankly, I think you were probably harrassing him enough to **** him off and this pressured him to get away from you. Hell, if I was in Doc's position I would've straight up brake checked you.
And so you join this forum and your first post is to call someone out on something that you instigated? bravo....
flame away, i dont care lol
I was the lead car in this group. We normally go quite early in the mornings, and for the most part, there is very light to no traffic. With that being said, OP, posting this video and calling Doc Neon out was the most idiotic thing to do. If you had a set, you would've handled it either through pm or face to face.
We were gathered at the gas station chatting when I saw your group of 3 (?) cars show up, and park behind the gas station. I believe it was a M3 (your car), a WRB hatch, and I think a dark colored BRZ. You didn't say hi, and that's totally ok (even though you most likely know we were forum members).
When we departed, another member in our group told me that your group scrambled to your cars to catch up with us (yes, we are a cool bunch of friendly guys).Your vid shows nothing, other than a simple misjudgment by Doc in distance and speed. We've ALL had those. Panic braking mid-pass wouldve made things worse; the car on the right would've freaked out and possibly rear ended or sideswiped Doc.
Over breakfast, everyone was telling me how you (the M3) and the other cars in your group were driving like asshats. You guys were constantly riding up on people's bumpers, leaving no margin.
Frankly, I think you were probably harrassing him enough to **** him off and this pressured him to get away from you. Hell, if I was in Doc's position I would've straight up brake checked you. And so you join this forum and your first post is to call someone out on something that you instigated? bravo....
flame away, i dont care lol
Last edited by JourdanWithaU; May 5, 2014 at 01:39 PM.
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The sheer irony of the original post made me leave this comment:
I was the lead car in this group. We normally go quite early in the mornings, and for the most part, there is very light to no traffic. With that being said, OP, posting this video and calling Doc Neon out was the most juvenile thing to do. If you had a set, you would've handled it either through pm or face to face.
We were gathered at the gas station chatting when I saw your group of 3 (?) cars show up, and park behind the gas station. I believe it was a M3 (your car), a WRB hatch, and I think a dark colored BRZ. You didn't say hi, and that's totally ok (even though you most likely know we were forum members). When we departed, another member in our group told me that your group scrambled to your cars to catch up with us (yes, we are a cool bunch of friendly guys).
Your vid shows nothing, other than a simple misjudgment by Doc in distance and speed. We've ALL had those. Panic braking mid-pass wouldve made things worse; the car on the right would've freaked out and possibly rear ended or sideswiped Doc.
Over breakfast, everyone was telling me how you (the M3) and the other cars in your group were driving like asshats. You guys were constantly riding up on people's bumpers, leaving no margin. Frankly, I think you were probably harrassing him enough to **** him off and this pressured him to get away from you. Hell, if I was in Doc's position I would've straight up brake checked you.
And so you join this forum and your first post is to call someone out on something that you instigated? bravo....
flame away, i dont care lol
I was the lead car in this group. We normally go quite early in the mornings, and for the most part, there is very light to no traffic. With that being said, OP, posting this video and calling Doc Neon out was the most juvenile thing to do. If you had a set, you would've handled it either through pm or face to face.
We were gathered at the gas station chatting when I saw your group of 3 (?) cars show up, and park behind the gas station. I believe it was a M3 (your car), a WRB hatch, and I think a dark colored BRZ. You didn't say hi, and that's totally ok (even though you most likely know we were forum members).
When we departed, another member in our group told me that your group scrambled to your cars to catch up with us (yes, we are a cool bunch of friendly guys).Your vid shows nothing, other than a simple misjudgment by Doc in distance and speed. We've ALL had those. Panic braking mid-pass wouldve made things worse; the car on the right would've freaked out and possibly rear ended or sideswiped Doc.
Over breakfast, everyone was telling me how you (the M3) and the other cars in your group were driving like asshats. You guys were constantly riding up on people's bumpers, leaving no margin.
Frankly, I think you were probably harrassing him enough to **** him off and this pressured him to get away from you. Hell, if I was in Doc's position I would've straight up brake checked you.And so you join this forum and your first post is to call someone out on something that you instigated? bravo....
flame away, i dont care lol
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The pass was dangerous only because the left turn coming up was blind.
And seriously, that was a BAD pass. The reason he was hesitant to even make the pass was the right turn was blind and he couldn't see. Well, the left turn was just as bad for vision.
HOWEVER: Not even going to bother listening to a BMW driver... I'm sure the Douch is strong with this one. Totally believable what mooshoo said.
And seriously, that was a BAD pass. The reason he was hesitant to even make the pass was the right turn was blind and he couldn't see. Well, the left turn was just as bad for vision.
HOWEVER: Not even going to bother listening to a BMW driver... I'm sure the Douch is strong with this one. Totally believable what mooshoo said.
what i see from the video is the bmw driver almost "pushed" him forward since they both had intentions to speed up and pass the vehicles
there was a passing lane, and on the right lane there were two vehicles. the bmw driver was so far up the wrx's *** on the right turn that IF the wrx wanted to brake to get BEHIND the last vehicle, the bmw driver could possibly have rear-ended him.
the wrx really would have had to hit the brakes IN the turn in order to get behind that last vehicle
both vehicles were acting stupid in different ways. the wrx should have sqeezed in between the two vehicles, or slowed down before the merge to get behind the last vehicle. tough call at a moments notice since the merge came up quick and in a turn
there was a passing lane, and on the right lane there were two vehicles. the bmw driver was so far up the wrx's *** on the right turn that IF the wrx wanted to brake to get BEHIND the last vehicle, the bmw driver could possibly have rear-ended him.
the wrx really would have had to hit the brakes IN the turn in order to get behind that last vehicle
both vehicles were acting stupid in different ways. the wrx should have sqeezed in between the two vehicles, or slowed down before the merge to get behind the last vehicle. tough call at a moments notice since the merge came up quick and in a turn
Last edited by Rescuer; May 5, 2014 at 02:40 PM.