Omg, worst news ever!!! :(
This is retarded. 2nd amendment covers firearms, and anything that makes it a ****ing firearm, HOW CAN SOMEONE INTERPRET "KEEP UR GUN, BUT GIVE ME UR BULLETS"?!
If anyone should be slapped while trying to interpret the creators' idea, it's anyone who thinks ammo isn't apart of the word 'firearm'
"Firearm is the weapon, but ammo doesn't count"
If the father's of this country really wanted us with empty guns, we would be back to using swords and shields, or a bow... without an arrow and spears.
It is very clear the 2nd amendment covers ANYTHING to protect yourself against tyranny, so no power can control our FREE country (slowly not being free)
If anyone should be slapped while trying to interpret the creators' idea, it's anyone who thinks ammo isn't apart of the word 'firearm'
"Firearm is the weapon, but ammo doesn't count"
If the father's of this country really wanted us with empty guns, we would be back to using swords and shields, or a bow... without an arrow and spears.
It is very clear the 2nd amendment covers ANYTHING to protect yourself against tyranny, so no power can control our FREE country (slowly not being free)
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To: Cabela's California Customers
From: Cabela's Communications
Subject: California Assembly Bill 962
Date: Sept. 22, 2009
We are writing to inform you of pending legislation that will restrict purchases of handgun ammunition in California and will terminate our ability to service your needs for certain products.
On Friday, Sept. 11, the California Assembly passed Assembly Bill 962, by a 44-31 vote.
Among other regulations, AB 962 would:
• Ban all mail-order and Internet sales of handgun ammunition.
• Prohibit the retail sale, the offer for sale or the display of handgun ammunition in a
manner that allows ammunition to be accessible to a purchaser without assistance of a
vendor or employee.
• Require that the delivery or transfer of ownership of handgun ammunition occur in a
face-to-face transaction, with the deliverer or transferor being provided bona fide
evidence of identity of the purchaser or other transferee.
That evidence of identity, which must be legibly recorded at the time of delivery, includes:
• The right thumbprint of the purchaser or transferee.
• The date of the sale or other transaction.
• The purchaser's or transferee's driver's license or other identification number and the
state in which it was issued.
• The brand, type and amount of ammunition sold or otherwise transferred.
• The purchaser's or transferee's signature.
• The name of the salesperson who processed the sale or other transaction.
• The purchaser's or transferee's full residential address and telephone number.
• The purchaser's or transferee's date of birth.
The bill is on the desk of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, where it awaits his consideration. He will have until Oct. 11 to sign or veto the bill. If he does not veto the bill, it will become law.
If you wish to comment on AB 962, you may contact Gov. Schwarzenegger by phone at (916) 445-2841, or via fax at (916) 558-3160. To e-mail Gov. Schwarzenegger, visit
http://gov.ca.gov/interact
We encourage all Cabela's customers who participate in the shooting sports to contact Gov. Schwarzenegger to voice their opposition to this initiative, which will limit your opportunities to shop with Cabela's, and will restrict the sale of handgun ammunition everywhere in California.
If this passes as a CA law, you will NOT be able to find handgun ammo ANYWHERE. Your only choice will be to go out of state to buy friggin AMMO! I'm so god damn pissed that this could even be real! I guess this just means that more rifles will be used as opposed to pistols in crimes, which is like 50x worse... If you've never seen what a rifle round does to someone compared to a pistol round, well, let me just tell you that it's worse then bad. Don't even get me started on shotguns! You can make a shotgun into the size of a pistol and have it be like 100x more devistating then a 9mm pistol round... As always, these laws don't make sense at all. Why just ban pistol ammo?
Regardless, this SUCKS for us and I can foresee ammo costs being like 1000x more expensive at stores because they will have the market by its *****!
Please write to the governor and tell him how you feel about this unconstitutional POS law!
From: Cabela's Communications
Subject: California Assembly Bill 962
Date: Sept. 22, 2009
We are writing to inform you of pending legislation that will restrict purchases of handgun ammunition in California and will terminate our ability to service your needs for certain products.
On Friday, Sept. 11, the California Assembly passed Assembly Bill 962, by a 44-31 vote.
Among other regulations, AB 962 would:
• Ban all mail-order and Internet sales of handgun ammunition.
• Prohibit the retail sale, the offer for sale or the display of handgun ammunition in a
manner that allows ammunition to be accessible to a purchaser without assistance of a
vendor or employee.
• Require that the delivery or transfer of ownership of handgun ammunition occur in a
face-to-face transaction, with the deliverer or transferor being provided bona fide
evidence of identity of the purchaser or other transferee.
That evidence of identity, which must be legibly recorded at the time of delivery, includes:
• The right thumbprint of the purchaser or transferee.
• The date of the sale or other transaction.
• The purchaser's or transferee's driver's license or other identification number and the
state in which it was issued.
• The brand, type and amount of ammunition sold or otherwise transferred.
• The purchaser's or transferee's signature.
• The name of the salesperson who processed the sale or other transaction.
• The purchaser's or transferee's full residential address and telephone number.
• The purchaser's or transferee's date of birth.
The bill is on the desk of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, where it awaits his consideration. He will have until Oct. 11 to sign or veto the bill. If he does not veto the bill, it will become law.
If you wish to comment on AB 962, you may contact Gov. Schwarzenegger by phone at (916) 445-2841, or via fax at (916) 558-3160. To e-mail Gov. Schwarzenegger, visit
http://gov.ca.gov/interact
We encourage all Cabela's customers who participate in the shooting sports to contact Gov. Schwarzenegger to voice their opposition to this initiative, which will limit your opportunities to shop with Cabela's, and will restrict the sale of handgun ammunition everywhere in California.
If this passes as a CA law, you will NOT be able to find handgun ammo ANYWHERE. Your only choice will be to go out of state to buy friggin AMMO! I'm so god damn pissed that this could even be real! I guess this just means that more rifles will be used as opposed to pistols in crimes, which is like 50x worse... If you've never seen what a rifle round does to someone compared to a pistol round, well, let me just tell you that it's worse then bad. Don't even get me started on shotguns! You can make a shotgun into the size of a pistol and have it be like 100x more devistating then a 9mm pistol round... As always, these laws don't make sense at all. Why just ban pistol ammo?
Regardless, this SUCKS for us and I can foresee ammo costs being like 1000x more expensive at stores because they will have the market by its *****!
Please write to the governor and tell him how you feel about this unconstitutional POS law!
Not being able to purchase handgun ammunition online is a far cry from "not being able to find handgun ammo ANYWHERE."
As far as I'm concerned, you shouldn't be able to buy any weapons or ammunition online because the identity and age verification process is easily circumvented and/or manipulated, meaning children, criminals, etc., can obtain things they shouldn't be getting their hands on.
Now when they start trying to place further restrictions on my ability to buy weapons and ammunition through conventional methods, call me. That's some sh*t I won't stand for.
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Histrionics much?
Not being able to purchase handgun ammunition online is a far cry from "not being able to find handgun ammo ANYWHERE."
As far as I'm concerned, you shouldn't be able to buy any weapons or ammunition online because the identity and age verification process is easily circumvented and/or manipulated, meaning children, criminals, etc., can obtain things they shouldn't be getting their hands on.
Now when they start trying to place further restrictions on my ability to buy weapons and ammunition through conventional methods, call me. That's some sh*t I won't stand for.
Not being able to purchase handgun ammunition online is a far cry from "not being able to find handgun ammo ANYWHERE."
As far as I'm concerned, you shouldn't be able to buy any weapons or ammunition online because the identity and age verification process is easily circumvented and/or manipulated, meaning children, criminals, etc., can obtain things they shouldn't be getting their hands on.
Now when they start trying to place further restrictions on my ability to buy weapons and ammunition through conventional methods, call me. That's some sh*t I won't stand for.
Zero.
Zip.
In addition, cops/military should NOT be the only ones with guns. This country was born on the British trying to do the same thing to the 13 colonies, government only weaponry, and you can see that the people didn't stand for it. Having our own arms is having our own defense, it was made in case the government tried to take over, which you're seeing up front in reality.
The government FOR the people, not CONTROL the people. I still do not understand your reasoning against the constitution, the very constitution that was crafted exactly to prevent total control.
The government FOR the people, not CONTROL the people. I still do not understand your reasoning against the constitution, the very constitution that was crafted exactly to prevent total control.
wow... someone actually listened to me and started to read the constitution...
lol...
i honestly dont give two craps about this
the bummer it sounds like is that you have to do a face to face transaction
but this is how it starts
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist; Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist; Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist; Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew; Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.
the bummer it sounds like is that you have to do a face to face transaction
but this is how it starts
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist; Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist; Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist; Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew; Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Histrionics much?
Not being able to purchase handgun ammunition online is a far cry from "not being able to find handgun ammo ANYWHERE."
As far as I'm concerned, you shouldn't be able to buy any weapons or ammunition online because the identity and age verification process is easily circumvented and/or manipulated, meaning children, criminals, etc., can obtain things they shouldn't be getting their hands on.
Not being able to purchase handgun ammunition online is a far cry from "not being able to find handgun ammo ANYWHERE."
As far as I'm concerned, you shouldn't be able to buy any weapons or ammunition online because the identity and age verification process is easily circumvented and/or manipulated, meaning children, criminals, etc., can obtain things they shouldn't be getting their hands on.
for the record, in kalif, if you buy an out of state firearm, you still need to have it processed through an FFL...
Now when they start trying to place further restrictions on my ability to buy weapons and ammunition through conventional methods, call me. That's some sh*t I won't stand for.
next up, buying ammo from a local store will require filling out forms and a fingerprint.
i honestly dont give two craps about this
the bummer it sounds like is that you have to do a face to face transaction
but this is how it starts
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist; Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist; Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist; Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew; Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.
the bummer it sounds like is that you have to do a face to face transaction
but this is how it starts
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist; Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist; Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist; Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew; Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Nothing scarier than the brain washing of children.
This is also how it starts...
second, but then... how many deaths due to gunshots are in japan per year?
after all the laws are so strict that law abiding citizens in japan the only one prevented from owning them.
the criminals... oh please...
big one? WARREN VS district of columbia:
Warren v. District of Columbia is one of the leading cases of this type. Two women were upstairs in a townhouse when they heard their roommate, a third woman, being attacked downstairs by intruders. They phoned the police several times and were assured that officers were on the way. After about 30 minutes, when their roommate's screams had stopped, they assumed the police had finally arrived. When the two women went downstairs they saw that in fact the police never came, but the intruders were still there. As the Warren court graphically states in the opinion: "For the next fourteen hours the women were held captive, raped, robbed, beaten, forced to commit sexual acts upon each other, and made to submit to the sexual demands of their attackers."
The three women sued the District of Columbia for failing to protect them, but D.C.'s highest court exonerated the District and its police, saying that it is a "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen." [4] There are many similar cases with results to the same effect. [5]
The three women sued the District of Columbia for failing to protect them, but D.C.'s highest court exonerated the District and its police, saying that it is a "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen." [4] There are many similar cases with results to the same effect. [5]
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/ka...rotection.html
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^ I could have sworn that is what police is for... but in any case, if a judge would argue that route, I definitely would argue about PROTECTING YOUR OWN ***. Even if a cop is coming, he probably wont make it in time. That is horrific.
