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My belief is that it's not safe unless:
you have one backup on site AND one backup off-site.
My server is just for crap like family pics and home movies of the kids and stuff, so it easily fits on 1TB drives. I installed the OS, then imaged that drive onto my two backup drives, then changed each ID so thefile system doesn't get confused about which is which. One is installed in the same machine and every night a cron job spins it up, does an incremental backup of the main drive and spins it down. Now, when the main drive fails, I just boot the other drive and I'm back up in no time. The 3rd copy does the same thing, but it's in an external enclosure and lives in my cabinet at work. It comes home every month or three to get updated. This is in-case of a house fire, or an electrical issue that might take out the other two drives.
Yours is much larger, so external doesn't work, but you really want to have your 2nd tier of redundancy in a different physical location. House fires are often only in one area of a house and a major electrical issue is going to take out several drives if it takes out one. Having 3 copies all in one server and one physical location is not really any more secure than 2 copies in one server and one physical location.
Also I do not like RAID as backup. Sometimes you really need a time delay... like accidentally hitting delete on a folder that has a TB or 2 in it. In a RAID, it's gone. Nightly backups you can get it easily. This is why I don't like RAID as backup for home. At the very least run a cron job for incremental backup 1-7 times a week rather than an immediate mirror.
you have one backup on site AND one backup off-site.
My server is just for crap like family pics and home movies of the kids and stuff, so it easily fits on 1TB drives. I installed the OS, then imaged that drive onto my two backup drives, then changed each ID so thefile system doesn't get confused about which is which. One is installed in the same machine and every night a cron job spins it up, does an incremental backup of the main drive and spins it down. Now, when the main drive fails, I just boot the other drive and I'm back up in no time. The 3rd copy does the same thing, but it's in an external enclosure and lives in my cabinet at work. It comes home every month or three to get updated. This is in-case of a house fire, or an electrical issue that might take out the other two drives.
Yours is much larger, so external doesn't work, but you really want to have your 2nd tier of redundancy in a different physical location. House fires are often only in one area of a house and a major electrical issue is going to take out several drives if it takes out one. Having 3 copies all in one server and one physical location is not really any more secure than 2 copies in one server and one physical location.
Also I do not like RAID as backup. Sometimes you really need a time delay... like accidentally hitting delete on a folder that has a TB or 2 in it. In a RAID, it's gone. Nightly backups you can get it easily. This is why I don't like RAID as backup for home. At the very least run a cron job for incremental backup 1-7 times a week rather than an immediate mirror.
on a side note, anyone wanna buy a computer? Specs:
MSI 990FXA GD80 AM3+ Motherboard
AMD 1090T Black Edition Hexacore processor
16GB Corsair Vengeance CL9 rams
2*128gb Corsair Force GT SSD's (SF2281 SATA III 6GBPS)
EVGA GTX680 4GB or EVGA GTX480
I have a 21" and 24" LCD up for sale too, LG and Asus respectively.
not the fastest rig, but still pretty damn fast
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I have 1 on site and 1 that feeds to my dedi server works good for me haha. Currently in progress of clearing out hardware I no longer use so my local middle school is going to be running one hell of a server I built a few years ago
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Well, since I won't be able to make the addition I wanted, and the server has to be in the office, I can't game on it.
Looks like I'll be converting my desktop to a HTPC, and having my server be a Server/Desktop. Sucks that I have to build another PC to be able to game in the living room and watch movies. This is why I'm going to convert my desktop which has a 2600k in it since I don't use it much....
Only issue with that is, it's PCI 2.0. I'm not a hardcore gamer, I don't see myself gaming much more than racing games like iracing and WRC and F1, etc. Maybe get FIFA if they make it for the PC.
I REALLY don't want to spend much more money on this whole thing. This house is getting expensive, and I just want to do the minimum. The current desktop case will be used to house a garage computer that I'm going to do on the cheap later on. But for now, I need something that's going to get the job done.
So: 2GB HD7870 is the video card. Should I get a new MB and HTPC case... or just get new HTPC case and port the desktop over?
Again, i'm NOT a hardcore gamer, so if the combo on PCIE 2.0 should work well, I'll likely just go that route.
Looks like I'll be converting my desktop to a HTPC, and having my server be a Server/Desktop. Sucks that I have to build another PC to be able to game in the living room and watch movies. This is why I'm going to convert my desktop which has a 2600k in it since I don't use it much....
Only issue with that is, it's PCI 2.0. I'm not a hardcore gamer, I don't see myself gaming much more than racing games like iracing and WRC and F1, etc. Maybe get FIFA if they make it for the PC.
I REALLY don't want to spend much more money on this whole thing. This house is getting expensive, and I just want to do the minimum. The current desktop case will be used to house a garage computer that I'm going to do on the cheap later on. But for now, I need something that's going to get the job done.
So: 2GB HD7870 is the video card. Should I get a new MB and HTPC case... or just get new HTPC case and port the desktop over?
Again, i'm NOT a hardcore gamer, so if the combo on PCIE 2.0 should work well, I'll likely just go that route.
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Well, since I won't be able to make the addition I wanted, and the server has to be in the office, I can't game on it.
Looks like I'll be converting my desktop to a HTPC, and having my server be a Server/Desktop. Sucks that I have to build another PC to be able to game in the living room and watch movies. This is why I'm going to convert my desktop which has a 2600k in it since I don't use it much....
Only issue with that is, it's PCI 2.0. I'm not a hardcore gamer, I don't see myself gaming much more than racing games like iracing and WRC and F1, etc. Maybe get FIFA if they make it for the PC.
I REALLY don't want to spend much more money on this whole thing. This house is getting expensive, and I just want to do the minimum. The current desktop case will be used to house a garage computer that I'm going to do on the cheap later on. But for now, I need something that's going to get the job done.
So: 2GB HD7870 is the video card. Should I get a new MB and HTPC case... or just get new HTPC case and port the desktop over?
Again, i'm NOT a hardcore gamer, so if the combo on PCIE 2.0 should work well, I'll likely just go that route.
Looks like I'll be converting my desktop to a HTPC, and having my server be a Server/Desktop. Sucks that I have to build another PC to be able to game in the living room and watch movies. This is why I'm going to convert my desktop which has a 2600k in it since I don't use it much....
Only issue with that is, it's PCI 2.0. I'm not a hardcore gamer, I don't see myself gaming much more than racing games like iracing and WRC and F1, etc. Maybe get FIFA if they make it for the PC.
I REALLY don't want to spend much more money on this whole thing. This house is getting expensive, and I just want to do the minimum. The current desktop case will be used to house a garage computer that I'm going to do on the cheap later on. But for now, I need something that's going to get the job done.
So: 2GB HD7870 is the video card. Should I get a new MB and HTPC case... or just get new HTPC case and port the desktop over?
Again, i'm NOT a hardcore gamer, so if the combo on PCIE 2.0 should work well, I'll likely just go that route.
As for your garage desktop, I AM selling my previous set up

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The 7870 is a pcie 3.0 x16 card, you will be running it at pcie 2.0 x16.you will see a slight frame drop , but not that badly since you aren't a game *****. If the motherboard fits in a HTPC case, then go for it. Only problem is that most of those cases are tiny as hell, and you might have issues fitting an atx board and a full GPU in there.
As for your garage desktop, I AM selling my previous set up
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I'm pretty sure that's what I'm going to do.
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Literally I'd buy like $20 PSU, some sort of all in one itx/matx board and call it a day
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Alternatively, install vm ware on your server and use the garage computer to rdp into it, let's you use older hardware in the garage while your server does the grunt work.
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You could rip apart an old laptop instead as well, I'm guessing it's a computer for looking up info and playing music while you wrench?
Alternatively, install vm ware on your server and use the garage computer to rdp into it, let's you use older hardware in the garage while your server does the grunt work.
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My ISP upgrade le network in my building today. 
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vmware ftw, are you proficient with SQL and databases? I'm trying to port a database from SQL2008 express (RTM) to sql 2008 R2, the lack of compatibility is busting my *****, that and the SQL installers are so fking HORRIBLE to work with.

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I helped do this for my elementary school. Got 1 beast server then ran virtualized OS' s with a unique ID and password for each student. All the heavy work is done on the server and tbh ymmv based off whether server is local, has 1gbps, and of course good hardware. If you need some help or anything setting something like this up lemme know.. its time consuming but works great in the end.
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My ISP upgrade le network in my building today. 
suck my dick you slow *** motherf*ckerssssssss
vmware ftw, are you proficient with SQL and databases? I'm trying to port a database from SQL2008 express (RTM) to sql 2008 R2, the lack of compatibility is busting my *****, that and the SQL installers are so fking HORRIBLE to work with.

suck my dick you slow *** motherf*ckerssssssss
vmware ftw, are you proficient with SQL and databases? I'm trying to port a database from SQL2008 express (RTM) to sql 2008 R2, the lack of compatibility is busting my *****, that and the SQL installers are so fking HORRIBLE to work with.



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