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Old Oct 1, 2013 | 02:23 PM
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im in the dislike him but respect him boat. Just like Tom Brady. I dont think that his car is that much better than webber's i think he is just a lot better of a driver
THIS

His car really isn't SO MUCH better than the others on the grid. He's just pushing himself to newer heights this season.

This pure human element. This is what Senna talks about in his interview at his beach house. He see's a limit, and he pushes until he reaches it. But upon reaching it, he realizes there is more. He moves the bar, and the cycle begins again. This is the **** other drivers didn't understand when Senna was just beating them down, even in inferior cars. This is something I feel Vettel has, it's the eye of the tiger.

And all this hate is only feeding him, and that's just a ****ty place to be if you are Vettel hater, cause, I'm telling you all, he's only going to get faster and faster.
Old Oct 1, 2013 | 07:36 PM
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He DOES have a far superior car right now. That's a fact. But he has also bent over and victimized Webber who had the same car and was touted just as highly before he hit a big team.

He's the real deal, just how real we won't know until he gets alongside Alonso or Hamilton week after week in the same machinery. That's the bar for me.
Old Oct 1, 2013 | 07:42 PM
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But seeing a human being do that, just doesn't get you excited?
No.

Seeing two drivers going at it wheel to wheel and overtaking each other at every corner. That's exciting.

Seeing one driver take off into the distance with nothing in their way... Wooo.
Old Oct 1, 2013 | 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by flat489
the other constructors should just pay grosjean, maldanado, or perez to just wreck him on the first turn haha
That's what I've been saying. For the love of the sport, Webber needs to take Vettel out for the next few races.
Old Oct 1, 2013 | 10:14 PM
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That's what I've been saying. For the love of the sport, Webber needs to take Vettel out for the next few races.
Webber can't take out Vettel. He's Vettel's *****, he started 5 places back after a crappy Quali and always has a crap start that leaves him in 9th after the first corner. Meanwhile Vettel has converted pole into a 9 second gap after 3 laps and is controlling the race. That's why we need Alonso in an RB
Old Oct 1, 2013 | 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by glenspen
Webber can't take out Vettel. He's Vettel's *****, he started 5 places back after a crappy Quali and always has a crap start that leaves him in 9th after the first corner. Meanwhile Vettel has converted pole into a 9 second gap after 3 laps and is controlling the race. That's why we need Alonso in an RB
Let Vettel come back around and when he thinks Webber is letting him by because of the blue flags, Webber will then shut the door and take Vettel out.
Old Oct 1, 2013 | 10:56 PM
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Let Vettel come back around and when he thinks Webber is letting him by because of the blue flags, Webber will then shut the door and take Vettel out.
You ca hope he does that in South Korea this weekend.
Old Oct 1, 2013 | 11:13 PM
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Not only South Korea, but Japan, Abu Dhabi, Austin, Brazil, India, basically the rest of the season.
Old Oct 1, 2013 | 11:18 PM
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#F1 Features: The Vettel ‘boo’ pandemic | thejudge13

Another problem is, the team Vettel drives for. If he dominated the scene like he did the last four years in a scarlet overall, he would have been celebrated at Monza, not booed. The Tifosi are the most vocal fans decrying him for a very simple reason. Ferrari has been in F1 for over 60 years – it oozes tradition. Naturally in the eyes of the Tifosi the very idea of someone winning, who is not wearing red is pure blasphemy. Yet there comes a fizzy drinks company from Austria, with no history in the sport, and dominates it.

Will 2014 be any better with Ricciardo? Red Bull has said they will have equal status for 2014 but saying they are both going to be equal is ridiculous. Who are they trying to fool? Does the team honestly think that people will believe this?

This was a golden opportunity to say that Vettel is now the number 1 having been at the team for longer. So as long as Vettel continues to dominate and Red Bull management shows a lack of backbone and discipline the boos will continue. Vettel is the messenger and he is fighting a losing battle against his own institution. If anything, it just makes it more impressive that he has the will power to laugh it off and keep on driving.
Old Oct 2, 2013 | 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by JourdanWithaU

No.

Seeing two drivers going at it wheel to wheel and overtaking each other at every corner. That's exciting.

Seeing one driver take off into the distance with nothing in their way... Wooo.
If it was Hamilton you would be excited.
Old Oct 2, 2013 | 05:55 AM
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When he mops Alonso or Hamilton in the same car what will you say then?

Alonso is too old? Alonso in his prime?

Hamilton doesn't have priorities straight? If he just focused, he'd be faster?

Just get your excuses ready. I'll be waiting 4-5 years for them.
Old Oct 2, 2013 | 06:11 AM
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"We are lectured by the F1 intelligentsia that all dominant champions are disliked, and variety is what any sport needs in terms of winners. Rubbish, scores of dominant champions across a range of disciplines have been loved and adored by the public.*I don’t hear any boos for Usain Bolt when he keeps breaking world records and smashing the fields arrayed against him. Roger Federer is as popular today as when he was sweeping all aside. We could go on.

So let’s please lose the idea this is an anti dominance vocalisation, because given the right circumstances, there are equally if not more dominant world sporting champions than Vettel who are universally praised and adored by the fans of the sport in which they compete"

" This has led to the team ‘favouring’ Sebastian in the eyes of the public. The front wing issue in 2010 was clearly misjudged by the team’s management. The part of the story that is never told is, that Webber actually said it didn’t really make the car better for him, something he proved by winning the race with the old design. As a result the anti-Vettel brigade is still frothing at the mouth about it, as they think the team nefariously stole Mark’s wing.

The Australian has certainly made no effort to correct this little detail, which is understandable if not a trifle unfair, although Vettel had already been scratched from his Christmas card list by then. Why the Red Bull management let Vettel be exposed to the subsequent fan barrage of abuse, despite knowing that the fans only knew half the truth is a mystery.

So a combination of poor PR by Red Bull management and Webber willingly playing the poor slighted underdog still comes back to bite Vettel in the backside three years later.

And it would only be one of several oversights and weak decisions by the management, which the German has to take the boos for now. After the collision at the Turkish Grand Prix, which saw Vettel crash into Webber, the team immediately blamed Mark, without waiting to analyse who had really caused it. Webber recalled it being one of the only times in his career he has been booed on the podium. While initially it looked like Vettel had just senselessly piled into Webber, in the end they likely were both at fault.

A year after ‘wing-gate’, at the 2011 British Grand Prix, the weak leadership of Christian Horner was exposed in a very obvious manner. Webber ignored team orders to hold station behind Vettel, commenting after the race: “I’m not fine with it, no. Of course I ignored the team and I was battling to the end.“ Asked if he still felt like a #2 driver: “Not really. I just want to race until the end. Of course I ignored the team because I wanted to try and get a place. Seb was doing his best, I was doing my best. I wasn’t going to crash with anyone.“

The management’s reaction to such a public and blatant disregard of the team was non-existent. Horner spat a few angry comments into a few microphones after the race, but other than that Mark got away with not much more than a few angry looks and maybe some team members silently switching their allegiance to the other side of the garage. As irony would have it, many of those who boo Vettel these days hailed Mark for sticking it to the pitwall brigade.

The whole charade repeated at the Brazilian GP in 2012 – the final showdown between Vettel and Fernando Alonso and the TV pictures suggest that the two Toro Rosso drivers did more to help Vettel than Webber did, despite having been asked to do so. More angry comments from Horner and more sitting on his hands rather than dealing with Mark’s unwillingness to cooperate with his thoroughly disliked team mate.

But the really big issue reared its head at the Malaysian Grand Prix. Diving in for the last pitstop, strapping on a fresh set of options Vettel, who had fallen behind Webber due to a mistimed first stop, stomped on the ‘loud pedal’ and made up a four second deficit on Webber in just his out-lap and the first flying lap at the end of which Webber came out of the pits, narrowly managing to stay ahead, but on a set of inherently slower primes.

Soon the team gave the now infamous “Multi21” order, which Vettel subsequently ignored and still gets the flak for these days.

There is no question that Vettel’s actions were wrong, however the real questions have to be asked to the management.*Team orders are now allowed. Why didn’t the team radio something like, “Seb, stay behind, nurse the tyres to the end. We’re not sure they’ll make it if you race Mark,”*instead of a cryptic code, which didn’t tell him why he was asked to gift away a win.

Ross Brawn told Nico Rosberg why the wanted him to stay behind Lewis, Horner and Rocky did not.

They had let Mark go unpunished twice in the past for ignoring team orders. Why in the wide world of sports did they even expect Vettel to obey them. Especially as they asked him to give away more points than the winning margin of two of his three championships, in the second race of the year, at a time when Ferrari and Lotus were much closer in pace than they are now and to top it off – without any explanation, just a cryptic code.

Rocky, Vettel’s race engineer, had been telling the German protégé throughout the race to wait and he would have his chance to attack Mark at the end. How a management team on the pit wall change their instructions mid race and expect a driver going for the WDC to hold station.

True to himself Horner spat a few angry comments into a few microphones, but other than that… but we already had that. If there is a book called “F1 Team management for dummies”, you’ll probably find a detailed description of the 2013 Malaysian Grand Prix in the section “How not to do it, stupid”.

So the boos are mainly a result of a few actions by Vettel himself, like the cringe-worthy handling of the aftermath of Malaysia, but in big part his unfavourable image has been created by mind-bogglingly inept leadership skills and PR prowess straight out of the “Joseph Stalin School of Applied Employee Motivation”."
Old Oct 2, 2013 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by joltdudeuc
When he mops Alonso or Hamilton in the same car what will you say then?
I'll agree he is the best driver on the grid. It might happen.

I have no issues with being proved wrong by Vettel. I love the way he controls races. What he has done to Webber should make it clear to everybody just how fast he is
Old Oct 4, 2013 | 09:11 PM
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$5 Vettel is going to win the Korean GP.
Old Oct 4, 2013 | 11:50 PM
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Vettel's time is 0.004 seconds faster than Webber's pole time last year.

Insane.
Lewis was quick. Guess that means he's going to regress during the race?



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