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Old Jul 12, 2010 | 07:52 PM
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I cant remember what forum i was on, but there was a link posted to this laboratories website that showed a map and you can put the epicenter and it goes through the different bomb sizes and shows the damage path. It was interesting and my gf is wanting to see it. anyone remember?
Old Jul 12, 2010 | 08:13 PM
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http://fas.org/programs/ssp/nukes/nu...effctcalc.html
Old Jul 12, 2010 | 09:35 PM
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The Little Boy bomb dropped on Hiroshima was about 13 kt
Old Jul 12, 2010 | 10:10 PM
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Never saw this before, pretty cool model. Might mean nothing, but anyone think there's a reason NY isn't on the list of example cities?
Old Jul 12, 2010 | 10:16 PM
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There is another model out there that allows you to use Google Maps.

Frankly I think it's a little irrelevant. The Tsar Bomb was the biggest ever detonated (100 mega tons), that was in the 1960's. If you set it off over Alcatraz it would wipe out everything from Marin to Gilroy... and we have gotten MUCH better at building nukes in the last 40 years.
The energy they can release now is so massive they can wipe out any population center at will
Old Jul 12, 2010 | 10:46 PM
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100 mega tons for the tsar bomb, you're right, but the test made by the russians was 50 MT in fact.
Old Jul 13, 2010 | 12:35 AM
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That's pretty interesting how much of a difference it makes when it is delivered via automobile vs aircraft.
Old Jul 13, 2010 | 07:54 AM
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Yeah for some reason it's way better to detonate up in the air instead of on the ground. If anyone could explain, i'd like to know why.
Old Jul 13, 2010 | 08:07 AM
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Yeah for some reason it's way better to detonate up in the air instead of on the ground. If anyone could explain, i'd like to know why.
"The principal military advantage of an air burst over a ground burst is that the energy from the explosion (as well as any shell fragments) is distributed more evenly over a wider area; however, the peak energy is lower."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_burst
Old Jul 13, 2010 | 08:47 AM
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With nuclear weapons, the air burst—usually several hundred to a few thousand feet in the air—allows the shockwave of the fission or fusion driven explosion to destroy the largest possible number of buildings, military units or vehicles, etc. This also minimizes the generation of irradiated soil and other debris (fallout) by keeping the fireball from touching the ground, limiting the amount of additional debris that is vaporized and drawn up in the radioactive debris cloud.
I would think, also that air burst would provide more "fuel" for the fission or fusion reaction.
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I would think, also that air burst would provide more "fuel" for the fission or fusion reaction.
Nah, you're not burning anything in a nuclear detonation. There's a conventional explosive used to bring the fissile material together into a critical assembly and keep it there long enough to get your reaction going. But it doesn't need or use anything that's not inside the bomb casing when it arrives.
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Originally Posted by Lowend
Frankly I think it's a little irrelevant. The Tsar Bomb was the biggest ever detonated (100 mega tons), that was in the 1960's. If you set it off over Alcatraz it would wipe out everything from Marin to Gilroy... and we have gotten MUCH better at building nukes in the last 40 years.
The energy they can release now is so massive they can wipe out any population center at will
Actually modern warhead yields are a lot lower, because nobody needs a giant bomb nowadays. Those gigantor bombs were built for a couple of reasons: cold-war saber rattling, and crappy missile accuracy. But they were bigger, trickier to build and more expensive.

Missiles of the day couldn't be relied upon to hit their targets accurately. If you think you'll miss, use a bigger warhead so it doesn't matter so much. Modern delivery systems are reckoned much, much more accurate. So they use smaller warheads.

The Tsar Bomba was an air-dropped giant. It was far too big and heavy to be mounted to a missile. Anything with that yield would need to be carried by a clumsy slow-moving bomber deep into enemy territory. A propaganda device rather than a serious deployment prospect.

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Originally Posted by glider
Actually modern warhead yields are a lot lower, because nobody needs a giant bomb nowadays. Those gigantor bombs were built for a couple of reasons: cold-war saber rattling, and crappy missile accuracy. But they were bigger, trickier to build and more expensive.

Missiles of the day couldn't be relied upon to hit their targets accurately. If you think you'll miss, use a bigger warhead so it doesn't matter so much. Modern delivery systems are reckoned much, much more accurate. So they use smaller warheads.

The Tsar Bomba was an air-dropped giant. It was far too big and heavy to be mounted to a missile. Anything with that yield would need to be carried by a clumsy slow-moving bomber deep into enemy territory. A propaganda device rather than a serious deployment prospect.
Also, most latter day nukes were MIRVs instead of a single warhead.
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