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This is a rather large escalation from their previous standing. What do you guys think will be our proper course of action?

 

Assassinate him.

 

Well when we attack one country and threaten to attack others what should we expect them to do?

"Sorry, we won't build weapons anymore. Come on over whenever you like."

 

Yep, they fear us invading and then giving everyone food at U.S. taxpayers expense.
U.S. taxpayers are the only ones who should be afraid of an invasion.

Ok, so I'm ignoring the 150k troops we will lose as well.

 

Hah, do you honestly believe that North Korea is building weapons ONLY for self defense???

 

True, and don't forget the top brass. They know they would end up in a prison cell, and they saw the clips of what happens there.

 

Of course that's not the only reason but it has to be on their minds.

Nuclear weapons worked as a good deturent for US and Russia they know it will probably work for them.

 

So in other words, you honestly believe that North Korea only wants Nuclear weapons for defense.

I think it's much, much more plausible to believe they want them because they actually believe it might be useful to use them in an attack on South Korea, knowing that the world won't respond by nuking millions of North Korean citizens.

Any time unstable, psychotic regimes get Nukes, it is a BAD thing. I'm shocked that this is actually a point people debate. Yes, the US and Russia have nukes. Therefore, it's good that North Korea has them too? No. It's bad enough that Russia has them. It's WORSE when North Korea has them too.

 

I haven't once said the North Korea having nukes is a good thing did I?

I'm just saying that having them for a deturnet is probably a high priority, but that doesn't mean their not thinking of using them to attack. I would be very supprised if that wasn't on their minds.

 

You just said a few posts ago that the reason North Korea was building them was in response to US aggression against other countries. That's what I was making a point about. North Korea's desire to build Nukes has to do with North Korea's being an aggressor state (and knowing that the US recognizes them for the aggressive banzai crazed nutballs that they are), NOT with the "Imperial Evil US" going around taking out Saddam.

 

I agree that they will probably want to use the nukes for an attack. I also agree that them having nukes is a bad thing. But I also feel that they think it will be a good deturent.

Don't you think that we are less likely to invade North Korea if we know they have nukes? And all I'm saying is that If they think it will stop us from invading I don't fault them for that logic.

 

self defense, gimme a break. we all know after Iraq the us won't "invade" another country for a loooooooooong time. And if they think we're gonna use nukes than either they're either smokin' crack, or it's an excuse, my guess is crack. :wink:

 

Do we? How can you be so sure? Are you in the foreign policy meetings? I mean that was the main reason we went into Iraq is because of WMD's. Why is it so hard to fathom going into North Korea for the same reasons? I mean they are admitting to everyone that they have them, unlike Iraq where most everyone knew there really were no Nukes.

The point isn't whether or not we would use nukes in that situation, obviously we wouldn't unless they used them first. But them having nukes sure is a deterrent for us to invade them now. There is no hiding that fact now.

My guess is our government knew this little tidbit well before we were informed of it which is why Rice has been going around saying how we aren't going to invade and had no plans to invade. They have every right to use whatever means necessary to defend themselves from attacks whether it be from us, china or any other nation, but they do not have the right to use those nukes for imperialistic gains in the Korean peninsula or anywhere else for that matter.

 

I say this is absolutely false. Kim Jong has absolutely no right to prosecute a war, or to menance his neighbors in South Korea, when he A)Doesn't represent the people of North Korea and B) Doesn't even provide them with food. Everywhere except for military installations in North Korea is pretty much a medieval wasteland.

North Korea has absolutely NO right to defend itself by Nuclear Weapons, which themselves cannot be defensive weapons (ie, you don't toss nukes on your own capital to keep the invaders out...you use them offensively)...AND on top of this North Korea's government is totally illegitimate.

I do not understand why people who would criticize Bush for curtailing US civil rights would turn around and say that the leader of North Korea has every right to maintain his control over the country by force.

 

Not a bad point and it may very well be part of the equation. I think it is. Now add subaruguru's reason into the mix and you're both right on the money.

The fact they want nuclear weapons is the very reason we'll invade. It's like a double-negative situation. The incentive to protect themselves with nukes isn't as significant as their potentially hostile relationship with South Korea, China, Japan and the United States with nukes. So why bother unless you want to dance?

I think you're both correct.