Me too.

 

Exactly, Instead of being surrounded by idealistic stone age countries, they have sk, china and japan as neighbors. Imagine how much technology has leaked into nk in the last 20 years.

 

Well I'm glad you say it is! I feel so much better now!

My point is if they just sit there in their little pisshole of a country and don't do anything to provoke anyone then they have every right to sit there with their nukes and twiddle their thumbs. If they start getting stupid then thats where their rights stop. Read the post again and maybe you will pick that up.


I understand what you are saying but the fact is that the DPRK is crazy enough to do just that if we invade so it is a good deterrent is it not?


Well if we are going to start taking out dictators and illegitimate governments then we better get prepared for a long fight. There are alot of them around to occupy our time for the next 50 years. And are we talking real dictators or just ones that aren't friendly to the US?

 

After the announcement by North Korea that they have nuclear weapons and will keep them as a deterrent to President Bush's threats against the Communist state, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice wimpishly remarked, "we will have to consult with our allies".

According to the Associated Press today, February 10, 2005:
U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Washington would consult allies before responding.

"I think we just have to first look at the statement and then we need to talk with our allies,'' Rice told Dutch RTL television while on a trip through Europe.
This is the exact same statement that Senator Kerry was raked over the coals for. Senator Kerry, during the campaign was mocked, laughed at, ridiculed and smirked at with disdain by President Bush in one speech after another by President Bush. I still hear President Bush's words and see his grinning smirk as he yelled repeatedly, "AND SENATOR KERRY SAYS THAT WE NEED A PERMISSION SLIP AND TO CONSULT WITH OUR ALLIES BEFORE WE DEFEND OURSELVES. WE DON'T NEED ANY PERMISSION SLIP".

Well, here we are. I guess we were lied to. I guess we were conned by the President. I guess we were snookered by Bush. I guess his whole campaign and all his bombastic, patriotic rhetoric was a facade. According to his new Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, we have just found out that North Korea has nuclear tipped weapons, the means to deliver them to our shores, and they are planning to keep them specifically because they feel the need a protective deterrence against the threats of President Bush--and what do we need to do--we need to consult with our allies--PRESIDENT BUSH NEEDS A PERMISSION SLIP.

 

You missed the entire point of my post. The point is that the DPRK is an unstable, aggressive regime that holds its power over its own people only by military force. It's a war-starter waiting to happen. It is not good policy or akin to any sense of justice to support letting governments that are highly unstable possess nuclear weapons. Kim Jong Il has absolutely NO right to acquire nuclear weapons. The only good they will do him is to help wipe out South Korea so that he can try to steamroll his army down the peninsula. He knows very well that the US has zero interest in invading his own country (there's nothing there, and the conventional forces are formidable.)

So, I'll repeat again the point you missed: there is nothing FAIR or RIGHT about north korea having nuclear weapons. Suggesting that it is fair for them to have nukes is akin to suggesting that ruthless dictators have the right to do whatever they want. Do you accept that position?

 

Yes, I do agree with that statement to a point. When said ruthless dictator does nothing to us or our citizens then why get involved. If they don't "steamroll down the penisula" then who gives a rats ***.

Plus there are a lot of countries that would consider us unstable after Iraq, and we are still the only country to use nukes on civilians ever. Not saying that I agree or disagree either way but that's the truth.

We need to get out of the habit of playing world police so much. If they are a threat to us then fine but this pre-emptive, bad intelligence war crap is for the birdies. They aren't going to disarm easily and I doubt it will happen peacefully, now that they have them. Most likely if we really want to disarm them it will have to happen by force and that is going to be a very, very ugly situation for all involved. Let's all hope that never happens.

 

I can undertand how you'd want to stay out of other people's business, but this isn't the case with North Korea. South Korea is vital to the US economy. Why do you think there are soldiers there right now?

When a ruthless dictator has nuclear weapons and menaces a major US trading partner, yeah, that's serious cause for us to get involved.

 

It's not that I want to stay out of their business as much as when I think about how much that will cost us in terms of military lives and expenditures. I just really hope that situation is avoidable. I guess I hope we just make it very clear to the DPRK that we will absolutely destroy them with everything in our arsenal if they try any funny business and hope they heed the warning. *wishful thinking most likely*

 

So this is what Kim says today
http://www.comcast.net/News/INTERNAT...729092df8.html

What an ego maniac, does he think his neighbors don't matter? This isn't between the US and NK, it affects everyone around them. And before anyone says "what about Iraq? it affects thier neighbors too" remember that NK is surrounded by peaceful(mostly), rational nations. Unlike Iraqs facist ideological neighbors. Does he really think like this, or is he playing polotics and trying to build himself up to look bigger than he really is? What do you guys think, bluff or arrogence?