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Old Apr 30, 2014 | 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoobywax
The konis often blow out when pushed too hard
Hmm, that's no good for me then. At this point, the main purpose of this car is the once-a-week grocery trip, and the once-a-month tire-demolishing track day.
Old Apr 30, 2014 | 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoobywax
Longevity and reliability vs a 1200 dollar set of coilovers. Can do koni yellows and rce's too as mentioned above.

A 1200 coil isnt going to perform as well as the dspecs and rce yellows.

The konis often blow out when pushed too hard where as people are using the dspecs for rallyx along with daily driving.

Hard to find atm but I heard they are coming back.

Tic used to push them and swear by them over the konis then when the dspecs were sold out everywhere their opiniom changed to konis being the best.

iirc the konis cost more offsale than the dspecs did......

Miss my dspecs but going to the hvt coilover which are supposed to "ride like dspecs and yellows" according to tony from tic.....
Besides the difficulty in finding the DSpecs at the moment, I thought they had some type of "clunking" issue as well? Not sure how much of an issue it really was though.

An alternate solution to the Koni Inserts could be this Koni setup which looks to be a new offering.

http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/s...3&autoModClar=

I have no idea as to the quality of the springs. Personally, if I was getting the Koni's again, I would considering purchasing that setup and then selling off the springs to get the Swift Spec R's {which is what I currently run}. However, since these already come with springs you could totally use these for installation as well once you figure out the rear top hat solution that you would use to install these units. These Koni's look to be full replacement versions for the factory struts instead of the insert type. That should make it easier to install with far less work.

The downside to the above setup is that it looks to be only offered for the Bugeye style setup (currently on the Tire Rack site). However, who cares as if you just use the Koni's only those would be equivalent to the DSpecs since the DSpecs were designed for the Bugeye style setup as well so essentially they would require the same amount of work to install properly.

BTW - The issue that I would have with the H&R Springs that come with that setup stems from the fact that I don't know what the Spring Rates would be. I've heard lots of good things about H&R Springs over the years though.

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Old Apr 30, 2014 | 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ViperThreat
Hmm, that's no good for me then. At this point, the main purpose of this car is the once-a-week grocery trip, and the once-a-month tire-demolishing track day.
You would be perfectly fine with a Koni setup. Koni stands behind their products and the issues he was referring to would be for something more along the lines of an Off-Road Rally-X type setup. You'd be perfectly happy with these for a street / track setup.
Old Apr 30, 2014 | 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by flukewrx
You would be perfectly fine with a Koni setup. Koni stands behind their products and the issues he was referring to would be for something more along the lines of an Off-Road Rally-X type setup. You'd be perfectly happy with these for a street / track setup.
Yeah, i might drive a dirt/snow road or two, but nothing crazy. If i get into rallyx, id probably buy a beater to mess around in..
Old May 1, 2014 | 01:27 AM
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I've got ~26k miles, over a dozen AutoX events, and two different sets of springs on my Konis without any problems.

My suggestions mirror pretty much everything everyone else is saying. I'm currently Running Koni inserts with a Ground Control kit. I've got the set-up dialed in pretty good and I like it a lot.

Also, I think that "kit" on Tire Rack is still inserts. They just happen to bundle it with some springs.
Old May 1, 2014 | 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ViperThreat

Yeah, i might drive a dirt/snow road or two, but nothing crazy. If i get into rallyx, id probably buy a beater to mess around in..
Ya the konis are fine for the monthly track day. Im just mentioning the instances where someone hits a really gnarly pothole and blows their insert. Seen it more than once.
Other than that dspecs are solid.
Another option could be the gtworx bilstein rce combo. Lil more money I think. I just sold my dspecs n yellows with 20k miles on them for 900 and theres a guy that was selling bnib for 750 just dampers.

They are 02 03 but easy to use for 04 07 with springs n tops n 921 spacers.
Old May 1, 2014 | 03:07 AM
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Sway Bars and end links are by far the best bang for buck.. I have found the best combination if you want a car that is still comfortable to drive is to keep stock suspension BUT install some aftermarket "lowering springs" I don't know about the US but here we have a brand called King.. they come in Lows and super lows. The super lows just make your life difficult and stop you getting in and out of driveways. The Lows are perfect. They slightly stiffen up the ride and work well on stock strutts. the next thing is to get bigger Sway Bars.. 24 fronts and 22 Backs is good. More weight up front so the 24s keep it flat and the 22s are enough on the back (this is what is on the 2015 sti)... I have used Whiteline. Then some good alloy end links (the stock ones are plastic). You will find you car will be perfect... Coilovers are a bit firm for street use. We have them on our EVO 5 and it is hard as a rock. It is adjustable but very uncomfortable around town.
Old May 1, 2014 | 07:31 PM
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Sway Bars and end links are by far the best bang for buck.. I have found the best combination if you want a car that is still comfortable to drive is to keep stock suspension BUT install some aftermarket "lowering springs" I don't know about the US but here we have a brand called King.. they come in Lows and super lows. The super lows just make your life difficult and stop you getting in and out of driveways. The Lows are perfect. They slightly stiffen up the ride and work well on stock strutts. the next thing is to get bigger Sway Bars.. 24 fronts and 22 Backs is good. More weight up front so the 24s keep it flat and the 22s are enough on the back (this is what is on the 2015 sti)... I have used Whiteline. Then some good alloy end links (the stock ones are plastic). You will find you car will be perfect... Coilovers are a bit firm for street use. We have them on our EVO 5 and it is hard as a rock. It is adjustable but very uncomfortable around town.
Ive heard many things about sways.....
And I still cant get a good number.

Ive heard stuff the biggest bar u can In there....
Ive heard get a rear first then work your way up....
Ive heard 24 up front 22 in back.....
Ive heard 24 in back and 22 up front.......
Ive heard different things from everyone.

Plus doesnt this guy have an 06? Why are we talking about 2015 wrx?

I was under the impression to get an adjustable 22 f/r so u can tweak them little and have some sort of split.
But I still dont know either.....
Old May 1, 2014 | 11:28 PM
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It all depends on how you want the car to behave. The softer end will have more overall grip than the stiffer end.

For example; With my car, I have the stock 19mm bar in the front and a 22mm whiteline bar in the the rear. In addition to that, my front springs are 350lb and my rear springs are 400lb. The rear of my car is a bit stiffer than the front. As a result, it is really easy to get my car to oversteer. And I like it that way.
Old May 2, 2014 | 12:18 AM
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My previous car had a pretty healthy setup, a touch of understeer, but was fairly easy to induce oversteer when I wanted it. Probably not the fastest around the corners, but controlable and quite fun.

Of course, my previous car was FWD, but I'd like a similar setup with the wagon if possible.
Old May 2, 2014 | 07:53 AM
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If you're ever in Santa Cruz county or want to come out to the Philz meet on sunday or the wed vj meeting you can drive my wagon. I came from a civic to a wrx. The way I had my civic set up it was very neutral. I have my wagon set up similar... more oversteer though.

If you want to keep it neutral you're not going to want to slam a fat rear sway bar on there without addressing the front...

Here.... do this... give me a budget and how aggressive you want to go... and how low if vehicle height is one of your goals.


I've had 5 different suspension set ups on my wagon and helped set up quite a few other wagons. Wagons are my thing man. LOL!



As per the coil overs and some strut set ups being just as expensive. In my opinion, on a daily driven car a quality sping/strut combo is a lot better than a crap coil over. If you're gonna go coil overs I'll always tell people to start looking higher up the food chain. At least for people looking for handling and drivability first.


My car is currently set up...
AGX Struts
JDM Wagon pink springs
Whiteline 24/27 rear bar
Whiteline 22/24 front bar.
Whiteline HD front and rear endlinks
Whiteline HD rear mounts
Whiteline steering rack bushings


That is essentially the core of your suspension set up. If you can make all those changes you'll be a very happy camper. If I was and I will do it again I'm going to go Swift/Koni. The rest will stay the same and I'll had a whiteline comfort ALK.
Old May 2, 2014 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ViperThreat
Pricing on that combo looks like its roughly $1200, which isn't far from a decent set of coilovers.. any particular advantage of this setup?
Where are you finding decent coilovers for $1200. Please do share!
Old May 2, 2014 | 09:05 AM
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Where are you finding decent coilovers for $1200. Please do share!
I got suspension techniques speedtech coilovers (the kw sister company) for $1350 with new group n tops
Old May 2, 2014 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by JourdanWithaU
It all depends on how you want the car to behave. The softer end will have more overall grip than the stiffer end.

For example; With my car, I have the stock 19mm bar in the front and a 22mm whiteline bar in the the rear. In addition to that, my front springs are 350lb and my rear springs are 400lb. The rear of my car is a bit stiffer than the front. As a result, it is really easy to get my car to oversteer. And I like it that way.
Same with me...bigger rear sway, stock front

I also have sti lca and white line street alk so I have great turn in capabilities

Not the optimal setup for best handling or speed but it is really fun and easy to control
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Same with me...bigger rear sway, stock front

I also have sti lca and white line street alk so I have great turn in capabilities

Not the optimal setup for best handling or speed but it is really fun and easy to control
The LCA and the ALK help make up for the lack of a front bar as far as car balance goes in your case.

Lucky bastard.



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