Need help - Lemans Karting faster times
Originally Posted by iBlueVirus
I assume you did the all you can drive thing? How busy was it?
I was at lemans last night. Man I suck.
This was my second time out, first time I was ****ty too, came in last. I talked to lodelle after and he told me the not to brake. So I tried it this time during the qualifier, came in hot into T1, yanked the wheel a bit late, drifted right into the outer barrier. As a result the trakc marshals black flagged me so I qualified last. Got stuck behind traffic the whole time, and even when I was riding a guys *** the marshals never gave the guy in front the blue flag, then when I passed they told me to stop bumping.
But yeah, I need to figure out my entry speeds. Going into T6 im going to slow. Going into T3 pretty good, but lose a lot of speed out of T4. Both times my best lap was around 20.6. Top time in our heat was almost in the 18s, like 19.04 or something
Saw lodelle of course there, and a couple other scooby guys. I think they came with walter and were running with us (norcalevo)
This was my second time out, first time I was ****ty too, came in last. I talked to lodelle after and he told me the not to brake. So I tried it this time during the qualifier, came in hot into T1, yanked the wheel a bit late, drifted right into the outer barrier. As a result the trakc marshals black flagged me so I qualified last. Got stuck behind traffic the whole time, and even when I was riding a guys *** the marshals never gave the guy in front the blue flag, then when I passed they told me to stop bumping.
But yeah, I need to figure out my entry speeds. Going into T6 im going to slow. Going into T3 pretty good, but lose a lot of speed out of T4. Both times my best lap was around 20.6. Top time in our heat was almost in the 18s, like 19.04 or something
Saw lodelle of course there, and a couple other scooby guys. I think they came with walter and were running with us (norcalevo)
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I just got back from a combo during lunch and ran against a group of 3 other dudes. It looked like we were all about 6' tall and weigh in about 180-210 lbs. My best time was 19.517 (orange track), slowest of the group, and the fastest best was 19.196. I was in kart #2 and the others were #5, 1, 20.
WHAT I LEARNED:
I think I finally got the hang of that hard turn in braking technique. If 0% is centered, and 100% is full lock, then (for example) you start your turn in smoothly but very quickly turning in to say 60% which jams the kart into the turn. You need to immediately get back down to 15% (or whatever is appropriate) to follow the line you are taking. What this did was the first hard turn it quickly transfer weight to the front, digs in the front wheels to start the turn in, and scrubs a bunch of speed. However, since the weight is shifting forward, the rear wants to kick out. Initially, this helps with the turn rotation, but will quickly turn into oversteer slide. Hence the second part, getting steering back to the line.
The key idea is that you accomplish a bunch of things:
- you get all the rotation you want for the turn
- you transfered weight briefly for turn in, when you needed it
- you scrub off a bunch of speed at the entry of the turn (this is the key reason why braking is usually not necessary)
- the second part transfers the weight back to the rear (along with some throttle as appropriate) which is exactly what you need for midcorner
TURN BY TURN
Turn 1: Coming out of long straight from 7, 1 just needs to stay wide and use the hard turn to slice the 1 apex. It's critical to do the above technique to stay WOT and not slide into the wall that juts out on 1 exit. Doing the hard turn in technique right was the difference between me going WOT through 1-2 and smashing sideways into the wall.
Turn 2: From 1 to 2, take the shortest path WOT that clips 2 and goes wide exit. Easy.
Turn 3: Stay as WIDE as possible. Lift and hard turn early to hug the inside of 3. You should scrub enough speed early such that by the time you've started to hug the turn, you should be able to start gettng on the throttle. If not, you didn't scrub enough speed. Exit 3 as wide as possible to set up for 4.
Turn 4: From a wide 3 exit, hard turn in left to clip a slightly late 4a apex. This should be done as a pair with 4b as well. You should have scrubbed enough speed off the hard turn in for 4a that you can WOT before you even get to 4b. Exit 4b wide.
Turn 5: This is all about setting up for hairpin 6. Enter 5 very wide, hard turn in left to basically hug the left wall of 5. Just after you've passed the 5 apex, it's time for 6.
Turn 6: (still not sure about this one) Assuming you're hugging 5's wall on the left, lift throttle and hard turn in early for a lot of rotation with the intent of ending up slicing a late 6 apex. Make sure you have all traction and WOT the long 7-1 straight.
Again, all the fast time is made with turn 3 and 6.
Please critique....
WHAT I LEARNED:
I think I finally got the hang of that hard turn in braking technique. If 0% is centered, and 100% is full lock, then (for example) you start your turn in smoothly but very quickly turning in to say 60% which jams the kart into the turn. You need to immediately get back down to 15% (or whatever is appropriate) to follow the line you are taking. What this did was the first hard turn it quickly transfer weight to the front, digs in the front wheels to start the turn in, and scrubs a bunch of speed. However, since the weight is shifting forward, the rear wants to kick out. Initially, this helps with the turn rotation, but will quickly turn into oversteer slide. Hence the second part, getting steering back to the line.
The key idea is that you accomplish a bunch of things:
- you get all the rotation you want for the turn
- you transfered weight briefly for turn in, when you needed it
- you scrub off a bunch of speed at the entry of the turn (this is the key reason why braking is usually not necessary)
- the second part transfers the weight back to the rear (along with some throttle as appropriate) which is exactly what you need for midcorner
TURN BY TURN
Turn 1: Coming out of long straight from 7, 1 just needs to stay wide and use the hard turn to slice the 1 apex. It's critical to do the above technique to stay WOT and not slide into the wall that juts out on 1 exit. Doing the hard turn in technique right was the difference between me going WOT through 1-2 and smashing sideways into the wall.
Turn 2: From 1 to 2, take the shortest path WOT that clips 2 and goes wide exit. Easy.
Turn 3: Stay as WIDE as possible. Lift and hard turn early to hug the inside of 3. You should scrub enough speed early such that by the time you've started to hug the turn, you should be able to start gettng on the throttle. If not, you didn't scrub enough speed. Exit 3 as wide as possible to set up for 4.
Turn 4: From a wide 3 exit, hard turn in left to clip a slightly late 4a apex. This should be done as a pair with 4b as well. You should have scrubbed enough speed off the hard turn in for 4a that you can WOT before you even get to 4b. Exit 4b wide.
Turn 5: This is all about setting up for hairpin 6. Enter 5 very wide, hard turn in left to basically hug the left wall of 5. Just after you've passed the 5 apex, it's time for 6.
Turn 6: (still not sure about this one) Assuming you're hugging 5's wall on the left, lift throttle and hard turn in early for a lot of rotation with the intent of ending up slicing a late 6 apex. Make sure you have all traction and WOT the long 7-1 straight.
Again, all the fast time is made with turn 3 and 6.
Please critique....
Last edited by chimchimm5; Aug 9, 2006 at 01:54 PM.
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yeah, you don't need much brake, depending on the kart. When I get a good kart, I don't brake at all.
You can pitch the kart into some of the turns to slow it down enough. The key is to slide enough to slow it down and get it pointed in the right direction, but not so much as to bog the motor.
The tough part is that the track changes a lot, but it sounds like it's pretty fast again as I'm seeing lot of low 19s and high 18s.
You can pitch the kart into some of the turns to slow it down enough. The key is to slide enough to slow it down and get it pointed in the right direction, but not so much as to bog the motor.
The tough part is that the track changes a lot, but it sounds like it's pretty fast again as I'm seeing lot of low 19s and high 18s.
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