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Old Feb 23, 2009 | 11:07 AM
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Are CCW permits county to county? I thought they were state-wide...?

Also: March 26th. Put it on your calendar!
The decision to be issue them is based on the county in which you reside/apply, but they're state recognized once you obtain one. Any rural county is basically shall issue...Kern, Shasta, etc. Anywhere else, you better have deep pockets.

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Old Feb 23, 2009 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by JArnaud
Retaliation is justified. The guy was able to run home, its not like the victim who was being robed chased after him and continued to stab him. They guy was just defending himself with means that he felt necessary at the time.
Originally Posted by saqwarrior
Just to be clear, I'm not questioning the right to defend yourself, so don't take my question that way.
Nietzsche believed that true justice could only exist between equals because the more powerful will almost always take advantage of those less powerful than themselves. So when that idea is applied on a large scale, real justice can only exist in an egalitarian society.
Old Feb 23, 2009 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Rescuer
this is going to turn into yet another debate between people with different opinions.

how bout just letting people have their own opinions for once....
Don't look at me, I'm just asking questions. :P
Old Feb 23, 2009 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by saqwarrior
Nietzsche believed that true justice could only exist between equals because the more powerful will almost always take advantage of those less powerful than themselves. So when that idea is applied on a large scale, real justice can only exist in an egalitarian society.
Ok, so following your line of reasoning, "real justice" can only exist when the victims are on equal footing with the criminals. That is to say, the criminals have exposure to harm equal to that of the victims. Yet, anyone with half a brain knows this is not true. Why? Because victims (i.e. the law abiding citizen) abide by the law. The laws in CA generally state that no "victim" is allowed to carry a weapon, to defend themselves in circumstances other than "imminent certain death," etc. In other words, victims are restricted by nonsensical requirements. Criminals, on the other hand, are not. Of course they'll carry weapons, take life whenever they feel like it, etc. - they are criminals, that is what they do.

So, by your reasoning, in its current state, "real justice" cannot exist in CA, because the criminals have greater "power" than the rest of us. Thanks for pointing out what we already know.
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Old Feb 23, 2009 | 11:15 AM
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i-club lesson #142: do not threaten anyone on i-club.

Old Feb 23, 2009 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by saqwarrior
So wait... are you saying that death is a justifiable punishment for threatening someone else's life?
yes.


if i am in fear for my life because some one is going to shoot me or stab me then yes
Old Feb 23, 2009 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by JArnaud
Retaliation is justified. The guy was able to run home, its not like the victim who was being robed chased after him and continued to stab him. They guy was just defending himself with means that he felt necessary at the time.
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Old Feb 23, 2009 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by kyoung05
Ok, so following your line of reasoning, "real justice" can only exist when the victims are on equal footing with the criminals. That is to say, the criminals have exposure to harm equal to that of the victims. Yet, anyone with half a brain knows this is not true. Why? Because victims (i.e. the law abiding citizen) abide by the law. The laws in CA generally state that no "victim" is allowed to carry a weapon, to defend themselves in circumstances other than "imminent certain death," etc. In other words, victims are restricted by nonsensical requirements. Criminals, on the other hand, are not. Of course they'll carry weapons, take life whenever they feel like it, etc. - they are criminals, that is what they do.

So, by your reasoning, in its current state, "real justice" cannot exist in CA, because the criminals have greater "power" than the rest of us. Thanks for pointing out what we already know.
My reasoning? Read my post again.

The power that Nietzsche was referring to was not the power derived from weapons used by common criminals, he was referring to the power of heads of state, governments, etc. Real power.
Old Feb 23, 2009 | 11:21 AM
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(troll mode on)

we saved tax dollars by not having to put the felon in jail!

(/troll mode)
Old Feb 23, 2009 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by saqwarrior
So wait... are you saying that death is a justifiable punishment for threatening someone else's life?
If you threaten my life, I will have no qualms preserving mine by taking yours. What, should I let you take mine to preserve someone infringing upon my right to life? I mean, had he hunted down the guy an hour later and killed him, that'd be ****ed up. But the guy got killed while the guy being robbed at gun and knife-point tried to save his own life. Completely justified.

Originally Posted by JArnaud
Retaliation is justified. The guy was able to run home, its not like the victim who was being robed chased after him and continued to stab him. They guy was just defending himself with means that he felt necessary at the time.
I don't view it as "retaliation" as this was obviously not for revenge, but for survival.
Old Feb 23, 2009 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by saqwarrior
Nietzsche believed that true justice could only exist between equals because the more powerful will almost always take advantage of those less powerful than themselves. So when that idea is applied on a large scale, real justice can only exist in an egalitarian society.
this is why we dont have true justice. real people are too selfish and vindictive, and cannot sustain an egalitarian society. this is why there are wars. money and power. people will never give it up especially if that means they get less of either. goes into the whole battle between good and evil, heroes and villains: one group wants good for all (works with everyone), the other group wants good only for himself (and uses the people to get there).
Old Feb 23, 2009 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Rescuer
(troll mode on)

we saved tax dollars by not having to put the felon in jail!

(/troll mode)
you are only trolling for a response when the majority do not agree with you
Old Feb 23, 2009 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Xevious
you are only trolling for a response when the majority do not agree with you
i know

I already stated on the first page that this would turn into a debate against people with different opinions

I never really post my opinion on these type of things on i-club because there are obviously certain people that will try to pick my sentence apart to try to shed more light on it as if there is something wrong with it
not naming names!

and if somebody wants my opinion, here it is:
I will defend my own life, if that means taking yours to stop the deadly threat.

and i do carry a knife! it's somewhere in my 24hour survival pack, so i'd have to go digging in my trunk to get it

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Old Feb 23, 2009 | 11:29 AM
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I think it's pretty funny overall. I just don't see how you could deny that. Someone should give this guy a medal.
Old Feb 23, 2009 | 11:30 AM
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I see it like this,

His next victim could have been a elderly lady who would no doubt of handed over her belongings and could just as likely have had a heart attack.

I don't wish death on anyone but at the same time I don't feel for the guy as the next victim could have been someone dear to me.

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