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That's called shop talk. If you respect the place you're going you keep your mouth shut with what gets said. I don't care what shop you walk in to... they're going to talk **** about something or some one. They have their hands in and around cars every day. They deal with other shops messes, failed parts and customer **** every day. If they're venting to you let them vent... or stay the **** out of the garage and go sit in the waiting room.
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Most people don't know, but back then there weren't many options for tuning.
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i have nothing against the higher prices, but when I called to see if they would install a cobb dp that I had received as a gift(they do not do customer supplied installs), a simple no would have been okay. The person told me the piece was crap and then tried to push me on getting a milltek downpipe. They did the same thing to Snoopy408, with his APS products.
Also called Mann over a year ago for an alignment and they asked about my suspension. I told them I had coilovers, and they immediately mentioned how my coilovers were cheap, they weren't Forester specific, and that I should look into their coilovers.
My coilovers which have been great thus far were $1080 shipped with track springs, pillow ball mounts and front camber plates. Mann's coilovers are $2499 with no camber plates/top hats. That's just way beyond my price range and the (maybe?) incremental increase in performance to price ratio and inability to drop my car as low as I want is why I'll be avoiding them.
I bought Miltek CBE from Mann, not the full TBE. I think the price for the CBE itself is reasonable. Especially if you trying to find the quietest exhaust (on or off throttle quiet) that's not easy for my car. Yes, the price for their Miltek DP is very high, more than CBE actually.
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I have a Milltek. It's nice. Very nice. But not any nicer than any other high end. And it's quite expensive. Thank goodness I got it for cheap from Craigslist. Honestly, who has a Forester specific Milltek for sale on Craigslist? Doesn't matter, I bought it.
Also called Mann over a year ago for an alignment and they asked about my suspension. I told them I had coilovers, and they immediately mentioned how my coilovers were cheap, they weren't Forester specific, and that I should look into their coilovers.
My coilovers which have been great thus far were $1080 shipped with track springs, pillow ball mounts and front camber plates. Mann's coilovers are $2499 with no camber plates/top hats. That's just way beyond my price range and the (maybe?) incremental increase in performance to price ratio and inability to drop my car as low as I want is why I'll be avoiding them.
Also called Mann over a year ago for an alignment and they asked about my suspension. I told them I had coilovers, and they immediately mentioned how my coilovers were cheap, they weren't Forester specific, and that I should look into their coilovers.
My coilovers which have been great thus far were $1080 shipped with track springs, pillow ball mounts and front camber plates. Mann's coilovers are $2499 with no camber plates/top hats. That's just way beyond my price range and the (maybe?) incremental increase in performance to price ratio and inability to drop my car as low as I want is why I'll be avoiding them.
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That's called shop talk. If you respect the place you're going you keep your mouth shut with what gets said. I don't care what shop you walk in to... they're going to talk **** about something or some one. They have their hands in and around cars every day. They deal with other shops messes, failed parts and customer **** every day. If they're venting to you let them vent... or stay the **** out of the garage and go sit in the waiting room.
That's my perspective on it anyways.
That happens is everything. You go to one surgeon they're gonna bag on another surgeons work. Go to a window tinter they're gonna say... man who ****ed up your car even if the previous tint job was perfect. It can be seen as bad business ethics as it turns people off. Or it can be seen as someone being cool with you and just shooting the ****.
I think that business owners and shop representatives need to be very careful with exactly who they talk like that with as it does get out and it can hurt business. Like in this case. Gary probably shouldn't say those kinds of things to as many people as he does. It's not the only way to sell a part.
It's like me. I don't even own a shop. I talk crap about Perrin because I've had literally nothing but bad experiences with them and their products. So if someone asks me... he should I guy part X or Perrin part X. I generally will say... man perrin sucks *** buy part X. Difference is they're a business. They're suppose to be impartial... in other words... careful who they ***** too.
That's my perspective on it anyways.
That happens is everything. You go to one surgeon they're gonna bag on another surgeons work. Go to a window tinter they're gonna say... man who ****ed up your car even if the previous tint job was perfect. It can be seen as bad business ethics as it turns people off. Or it can be seen as someone being cool with you and just shooting the ****.
I think that business owners and shop representatives need to be very careful with exactly who they talk like that with as it does get out and it can hurt business. Like in this case. Gary probably shouldn't say those kinds of things to as many people as he does. It's not the only way to sell a part.
It's like me. I don't even own a shop. I talk crap about Perrin because I've had literally nothing but bad experiences with them and their products. So if someone asks me... he should I guy part X or Perrin part X. I generally will say... man perrin sucks *** buy part X. Difference is they're a business. They're suppose to be impartial... in other words... careful who they ***** too.
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I disagree, it is one thing to recommend something but I have never been told that something i had previously bought or is on my car right now is complete crap. If that said part is breaking or wearing down, then yea sure voice your opinion. And there is a big difference between you a customer voicing your opinion and a shop doing so.
Happy Friday everyone .
It's the shop losing business because they don't want use the parts the customer provides I got denied from multiple shops because I didn't want to use the pistons they provided. Completely unfair. Building a motor is on the mechanic not the customers parts they are providing.
Happy Friday everyone .
Happy Friday everyone .
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It's interesting that Mann Engineering is taking the next step and offering suspension packages. Gary's extremely bright and very enthusiastic. I see similarities to what they're trying to accomplish and where tuners such as Steve Dinan started as (I've also used Dinan for my prior BMWs). I selected Mann to work on my vehicle based on the recommdations of 04GG and two other friends. It's true that startup costs need to be recouped and the way is usually to amortize the costs across a wide customer base. Hopefully the teething stage will be short lived and people can focus on the excellent service and products.
Just one example... Stock v Dinan2 v JB3 - my dyno results
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Kind of ironic how you chose to use DINAN as a comparison. Especially when most BMW enthusiasts have figured out that DINAN products/tuning software are often hyped up and overpriced. Conjointly, they also underperform when tested against their competitors' offerings.
Just one example... Stock v Dinan2 v JB3 - my dyno results
Just one example... Stock v Dinan2 v JB3 - my dyno results
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Not really. In reality how many people tweak with their coil overs? Now what percentage do it correctly?
For the people that are buying those kits and getting them set up the either don't know exactly what they want or they do. You go to a shop and have it set up. They put it where they think it should be or you tell them it should be.
It's done. You drive it. Etc.
That does NOT defeat the purpose of coil overs. They will still handle much much better than stock and you had a lot more options as far as ride height, dampening and spring rates. Nothing wrong with getting something set up and leaving it alone until it needs to be rebuilt.
For the people that are buying those kits and getting them set up the either don't know exactly what they want or they do. You go to a shop and have it set up. They put it where they think it should be or you tell them it should be.
It's done. You drive it. Etc.
That does NOT defeat the purpose of coil overs. They will still handle much much better than stock and you had a lot more options as far as ride height, dampening and spring rates. Nothing wrong with getting something set up and leaving it alone until it needs to be rebuilt.
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I asked whats a good baseline to start at and he tries to push a stage 3 package on me.....maybe he was having a tough day. And I hope I didnt confuse you.....I basically said that to myself, not Gary.
Gary is a nice guy and I used him for a lot of info when I first got my car and was a noob. But It was wayyyyy too much money for me to spend.
Gary is a nice guy and I used him for a lot of info when I first got my car and was a noob. But It was wayyyyy too much money for me to spend.