I had to bump this as it's one of the most asinine things I have ever read on I-Club

 

i think it makes complete sense

 

ya know...its not the hybrids that can be the savior of the earth. Its getting the 35yr old MILF's out of their Hummer H2's talking on cell phones and doing their makeup while driving. Get those ****** off the road, and you just lightened congestion by 10%, accidents by 20%, and fatality accidents by 30%. Im just making up numbers, but those ***** irritate me.

 

if they actually cared about the environment, they'd get motorcycles.

I get 55 mpg, and 1/4 mile in 13. Let's see a prius do either of those things.

 

get like a blow up doll or something, make it look like a real person is sitting next to you, i know few people that does it

 

True, and that's the idea behind giving Hybrid drivers special privilege. Although you'll probably never be able to stop soccer moms from doing their make-up and gesturing with their hands during cellphone conversation (I hate it too), you may convince some of them to go hybrid just so they have the same privilege. It's a good idea that hybrid owners get to use the carpool lane because the incentive to clean the environment hasn’t been enough for a lot of SUV and non-hybrid owners (unfortunately). If they need a reason that affects them directly (their commute) then great!

Yeah, and motorcycles have been able to use the carpool lane for years. And if YOU really cared about the environment you'd wake-up earlier and take the back roads to work. Point is getting 45+mpg shouldn't be taken lightly with 4 wheeled vehicles, especially considering what our market has to offer regarding vehicles and technology.

Also, let's not forget that cars allow you to carpool with more than two people -- the original purpose for the lane. I know a few people with regular combustion vehicles that carpool with 2-4 passengers 3 to 5 days of the week. If they all had hybrids they'd have your motorcycle beat.

 

Because that's practical for everyone..?

My friend, who owns a hybrid (albeit a Civic), has worked in the environmental field for over 7 years. I'd say he cares much more about it than you do...

-Mike-

 

thats all true, but think about it, how many people actually carpool? and if it's one person to a car, yes, the motorcycle does beat out the hybrid, because not only does it get better fuel economy, but takes up less space on the interstate.

I'm not saying it's the beat-all solution. A hybrid works better for those with kids, those who carpool, people who need to haul stuff around. The problem, I think, is that non-carpool hybrids are allowed in the carpool lane, where they are less efficient. I'm saying that most people won't use the advantages the hybrid has over the bike. There will be people who do though.

I'm afraid you've beaten me there, I do not work in the environmental field... I'm glad to see there are people who care more than I do, but that's not really what we're discussing.

 

If you don't want to find out who they are, then don't make blanket generalizations like "if they actually cared about the environment, they'd get motorcycles."

-Mike-

 

I figured we were talking about the tip of the bell curve, average bay area resident? I apologize if I sounded aggressive.

 

Wow.

 

theres an article somewhere comparing the life cost monetarily and environmentally between a prius and a hummer. a hummer ends up being about $2.80 a mile, and prius over $3.50. if you want to save the environment, buy a scion which costs only 49 cents per mile over its lifetime. there are other reasons not to get a prius, such as the fact that the plants that manufacture the batteries in so-cal have huge environmental problems, acidic runoff, acid rain, etc. if anyone knows of the article im talking about, plese put it up.

 

Here is the link to the article I think your talking about. It's kinda sad actually, all these people who think they are saving the environment by buying a hybrid should have had this knowledge.


http://clubs.ccsu.edu/Recorder/edito...asp?NewsID=188

 

And, as I have posted before, pretty much everything in that study has been roundly refuted as being simply not false or based on poor assumptions (like that the Hummer will last 300,000 miles and the Prius only 100K).

 

of course that info will be skewed though, the point is, you're better off with a camry or a golf TDI.

Me, I like the subarus.