House Votes To End 25-Year-Old Oil Drilling Ban

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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 04:39 PM
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im all for it = im leaving Cali and all its hippies you guys crack me up

those new platforms will be up and running in 6yrs or less and why do we have to go cleaner now? please don't tell me you believe in global warming :/

bush is homies or not id rather buy American oil then terrorist oil...

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CANADA 1,960 1,883 1,899 1,818 1,872
SAUDI ARABIA 1,661 1,479 1,543 1,434 1,411
MEXICO 1,200 1,124 1,194 1,469 1,457
VENEZUELA 1,187 1,085 1,038 1,167 1,117
NIGERIA 741 946 993 890 1,003
IRAQ 696 693 677 460 473


Yea damn those terrorist Canadians
Old Sep 24, 2008 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by zumnwrx
hello its not flat

it round and very old... older then the human life form and its been thru numerous climate changes that we know nothing about.

so if your a global warming lover then you've been scammed

im not one to cut old growth trees or dump oil down the sewer drains but im not going to listen to D average science students (Al Gore)
I am not quite understanding your position here. No one has said anything or made a major point about global warming or Al Gore. The conversation primarily has been about a simple cost and benefit analysis of choosing to drill for off shore oil. For example, what is the purpose of bringing something to market if it will take 10 years, having really high logistical costs, really high opportunity costs, uncertain success rates and high risk of having no relevance once it gets there? It is just basic economic questions...Yes, there are other potential side effects and concerns along the way, but to me it is just a lot of "what ifs" at this point...

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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by zumnwrx
hello its not flat

it round and very old... older then the human life form and its been thru numerous climate changes that we know nothing about.

so if your a global warming lover then you've been scammed

im not one to cut old growth trees or dump oil down the sewer drains but im not going to listen to D average science students (Al Gore)
You're the only one mentioning global warming, so I don't know who you're trying to convince.

EDIT: LX beat me to it.
Old Sep 24, 2008 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by zumnwrx
im all for it = im leaving Cali and all its hippies you guys crack me up

those new platforms will be up and running in 6yrs or less and why do we have to go cleaner now? please don't tell me you believe in global warming :/

bush is homies or not id rather buy American oil then terrorist oil...
No, more like the air I breathe kinda sucks.. You're from Ceres right? You how bad it gets in the valley.
Old Sep 24, 2008 | 05:07 PM
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Whatever choice is made right now regarding the energy policy, we will not see its results for a lengthy period of time. I wish there was one big vacuum cleaner to suck up all the Cali smog over night, but it just not going to happen. I, personally, would like to choose a responsible smart option that has the eventual potential of helping us in the long run, rather than options that have many logistical and economical factors going against it with high "good feeling" media potential, but no real substance...

Easy principal so say, but here is where politics come in...Unfortunately, politicians often do not have long enough shelf life to reap the benefits of right decision because they will not be around to take credit for them. Often times, they want something that will produce "results" in one form or another before their next election, so they can appease their constituency and stay in power...Unfortunately, those "results" are up for debate as to their true value...

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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 05:10 PM
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We need electric cars, we need more solar, wind, hydro and nuclear power. Less coal and gas power. Less gas cars.

How about a deisel hybrid? Wouldn't that be great for efficency. Imagine the gas mileage on that!

Keep the gas engines for like your sports cars. For everything else, diesel hybrid. You'll get TQ for towing, TQ for easy economical driving and MPG...

Or just electrical cars for cars. Pretty damn clean.
Old Sep 24, 2008 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by joltdudeuc
We need electric cars, we need more solar, wind, hydro and nuclear power. Less coal and gas power. Less gas cars.

How about a deisel hybrid? Wouldn't that be great for efficency. Imagine the gas mileage on that!

Keep the gas engines for like your sports cars. For everything else, diesel hybrid. You'll get TQ for towing, TQ for easy economical driving and MPG...

Or just electrical cars for cars. Pretty damn clean.
I just couldn't help but picture a raised electrical car with a shotgun rack driving around Texas

All of the alternative fuel cars right now are in their Model T statges (yes, even the Prius) and it will take them a little bit for them to get to the same level of gas engines (how long have those been around???)...And it would not hurt if their progress got subsidized and/or pushed along the way...
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ill apologize first of all for amusing you all were on the global warming crazed bandwagon.

i feel just as all of you that we do need other forms of energy but lets not be lame here and try and ignore our deep dependence on fossil fuel.

at the moment or in 10 years there is nothing in the pipe line that will decrease our dependence of gas by 50%

for many reasons, the biggest is COST. new technology is going to cost money and surely more tax payer money then corporate or private money.

i see this lift on the drilling ban as a good thing because it costs me and you nothing, and it lets private company's explore and drill and could also provide local and state subsidy for its output. as well as some badly needed jobs

all the while making us that much less dependent on rouge states oil. anything is better then nothing

and remember if its not profitable to drill the oil like some of you have mentioned then it wont be drilled and no one has to worry about it.

all im saying is feed the addiction till we find a cure. if we can do that, then why make us (the little guy) suffer more then we have to....
ps i dont drive a suv, i hate them! especially when i see one person using it to commute and even more when i hear them *****ing at the pump

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I'm all for the new drilling, it will create new jobs. I think we should also open more nuclear plants. I hate the liberal way of thinking that has prevented this in the first place.

I am currently against electric cars until electrical generators with a higher effiency to input materials than an efficient gas engine is created.
Old Sep 25, 2008 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by sebhockey
I'm all for the new drilling, it will create new jobs. I think we should also open more nuclear plants. I hate the liberal way of thinking that has prevented this in the first place.
Think about how long it will take to actually get oil out of the ground, then think about how little that will be compared to the rest of the world's oil supply. Then think about how the oil companies will sell the oil on the world market (we don't get to keep it, we have to buy it).

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I am currently against electric cars until electrical generators with a higher efficiency to input materials than an efficient gas engine is created.
So instead of developing technology like the rest of human history, we're just supposed to invent a new mode of propulsion equal to the one we've been developing for 130 years right off the bat?

silly wabbit!
Old Sep 25, 2008 | 08:07 AM
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Its about damn time!

the US sits on HUGE oil reserves, but can we tap it...nooooo because the stupid ****ing liberal, dirt kissing, tree hugging, hippies are afrade we might harm some stupid mouse.

It comes down to this, you want to drive your subbie, then we drill, you want to WALK, then lets preserve nature. Ya can't have both.
Old Sep 25, 2008 | 01:01 PM
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Overbear
It comes down to this, you want to drive your subbie, then we drill.
How about someone comes out with E85/Ethanol system for Subarus (Bryan from GST is coming out with one for Evos), so this way we can drive our subbie, make more power, AND use alternative sources of energy at the same time?
Old Sep 25, 2008 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Overbear
Its about damn time!

the US sits on HUGE oil reserves, but can we tap it...nooooo because the stupid ****ing liberal, dirt kissing, tree hugging, hippies are afrade we might harm some stupid mouse.

It comes down to this, you want to drive your subbie, then we drill, you want to WALK, then lets preserve nature. Ya can't have both.
****ing agreed!!!
Old Sep 25, 2008 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by LxJLthr
How about someone comes out with E85/Ethanol system for Subarus (Bryan from GST is coming out with one for Evos), so this way we can drive our subbie, make more power, AND use alternative sources of energy at the same time?
The whole ethanol thing is driving the corn and soy prices WAY up so farmers are changing the foods they grow to sell to companies to make ethanol... these are the same corn farmers who are still get fed subsidies... greed anyone?

I hate the whole E85 crap, we need to use more solar in our homes/businesses and electric or hybrid cars to drastically cut the demand for gas down.



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