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Help with CEL - P0302 & P0300

My car is an '03 Wagon with about 138k miles on it. I had the timing belt/water pump/etc. done around 30k miles ago.

So, for the past year or so, I've intermittently been getting misfire codes. I usually just clear them with the AP, and all is well for a while, until I get them again. I have the plugs changes regularly, and as of now, I last changed the plugs about 20k miles ago.

Lately, I'm getting these misfire codes almost every day. The car doesn't feel any different, but I do clear them with the AP just so I don't have to stare at the CEL.

I'm beginning to think my coil packs are on their way out. I hope it's nothing more severe. Any thoughts? Should I just replace the coil packs for good measure? How much are they? Difficult to do?

I'd appreciate any help/advice. Thanks guys.
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
Tight valves.
Are you saying the valves are too tight? Or that they need to be tightened? In either case, what am I looking at in terms of $/labor to have this done? Thanks.
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So I just called my shop, and they quoted me $975 for parts/labor for a valve adjustment, replacing valve cover gaskets, etc. Does that sound about right?

Also, he said that Subaru recommends that the valves be adjusted at 105k miles. Is this true? Any chance I royally screwed something up by driving like 30k miles over the recommended service interval?
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what is exactly "your" shop. I would take it to one of our trusted subaru shops first for a diagnostic. i.e. dbtuned, gst, lic, etc
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Originally Posted by cal
what is exactly "your" shop. I would take it to one of our trusted subaru shops first for a diagnostic. i.e. dbtuned, gst, lic, etc
The shop I normally take my car to is 123 Auto in SOMA (SF). I've taken my car there in the past for timing belt, etc. and they seem to be pretty reputable (albeit, perhaps not in the Subaru community).
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Are the missfires localized to one or two cylinders or are they random? I would try the coil packs before doing a valve adjustment.

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Originally Posted by EQ Tuning
Are the missfires localized to one or two cylinders or are they random? I would try the coil packs before doing a valve adjustment.

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Well, the misfires seem to be in Cylinder 2 and 4 for now, so perhaps localized to the one side. I'm thinking it may be the coil packs too, but I was told that a shuddering engine at low rpms, etc. were indicators that a valve adjustment was in order. Thoughts?
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Originally Posted by kyoung05
So I just called my shop, and they quoted me $975 for parts/labor for a valve adjustment, replacing valve cover gaskets, etc. Does that sound about right?

Also, he said that Subaru recommends that the valves be adjusted at 105k miles. Is this true? Any chance I royally screwed something up by driving like 30k miles over the recommended service interval?
That sounds a bit steep, but not way off for a valve adjustment in the car. Valve adjustment is not recommended at 105K AFAIK, so I wouldn't worry about having messed anything up at this point. A compression and leakdown test could tell you if any valves are overly tight as well.

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Originally Posted by kyoung05
Well, the misfires seem to be in Cylinder 2 and 4 for now, so perhaps localized to the one side. I'm thinking it may be the coil packs too, but I was told that a shuddering engine at low rpms, etc. were indicators that a valve adjustment was in order. Thoughts?
An actual miss that you can feel, especially at idle, can signal that the valve lash is too tight. Sometimes its tough to feel that especially with stock engine mounts.

If its localized to 2 & 4, I would recommend first swapping your coil packs from bank to bank and see if the missfires follow them. If they do, you know its the coils and can replace them. If not, you need to look further into it.

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Originally Posted by EQ Tuning
An actual miss that you can feel, especially at idle, can signal that the valve lash is too tight. Sometimes its tough to feel that especially with stock engine mounts.

If its localized to 2 & 4, I would recommend first swapping your coil packs from bank to bank and see if the missfires follow them. If they do, you know its the coils and can replace them. If not, you need to look further into it.

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Hm, I'll try that. Thanks!
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How long ago did you havethe t-belt replaced?
how long after that did the car start to misfire?

In order to properly diagnose the misfire, one must follow the OEMs diag flow chart.
Here are some of the many items that could be causing the misfire:
-bad plugs
-bad injector
-damaged harness(es)
-defective ecm.
-defective crank sprocket...could have been damaged during t-belt job.
-defective coil pack
-tight valve lash clearance.

Depending on the mileage of the motor, how well it's been maintained, what quality of parts have been used, etc, any one (or combination of) of these defects could be causing the misfire.

Obviously, no one can diagnose your particular cause over the interwebs.

It takes less than 10 minutes to determine if the valve lash is suspect and usually can be done without having to remove the spark plugs.
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
How long ago did you havethe t-belt replaced?
how long after that did the car start to misfire?

In order to properly diagnose the misfire, one must follow the OEMs diag flow chart.
Here are some of the many items that could be causing the misfire:
-bad plugs
-bad injector
-damaged harness(es)
-defective ecm.
-defective crank sprocket...could have been damaged during t-belt job.
-defective coil pack
-tight valve lash clearance.

Depending on the mileage of the motor, how well it's been maintained, what quality of parts have been used, etc, any one (or combination of) of these defects could be causing the misfire.

Obviously, no one can diagnose your particular cause over the interwebs.

It takes less than 10 minutes to determine if the valve lash is suspect and usually can be done without having to remove the spark plugs.
Thanks for the info Paul. I would actually get misfire codes occasionally before the timing belt was replaced - maybe like once every other month. Nowadays, it's like once every other day. I guess I should drop it off somewhere to have it properly diagnosed - no sense in throwing money at something that may or may not be the problem. Thanks again.
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