This guy is a genius
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I wish I made more money. But I wouldn't be able to sit on my *** and do nothing knowing I was cheating people. I used to have a pretty solid job in S.F. I made good money and was able to do whatever I wanted. I sometimes only worked maybe 10 hours a week and got paid for 40. I'd take long lunches. Eat steaks and play video games on my lunch breaks. Etc.
After 7 years I felt like I was wasting my life away and I wanted to make a change. I took a $35,000 pay cut and moved back home to santa cruz. It's been 7 years since then and I'm still not back to where I was. I may never be. But I'd do it again in a heart beat.
Until you've been there done that you can't know.
Of course I'd love more money but I'd never intentionally cheat anyone out of anything and I'd never be happy doing nothing.
I know trust fund kids that walk both walks of the line.... some do nothing and some take the opportunity to do something.
What the dude did is a model of what's wrong with todays society. Everyone expects to be a millionaire. Had that dude actually done his job maybe he could have helped his company provide a better service and maybe he'd be moving up the chain. Instead he's a news report.
After 7 years I felt like I was wasting my life away and I wanted to make a change. I took a $35,000 pay cut and moved back home to santa cruz. It's been 7 years since then and I'm still not back to where I was. I may never be. But I'd do it again in a heart beat.
Until you've been there done that you can't know.
Of course I'd love more money but I'd never intentionally cheat anyone out of anything and I'd never be happy doing nothing.
I know trust fund kids that walk both walks of the line.... some do nothing and some take the opportunity to do something.
What the dude did is a model of what's wrong with todays society. Everyone expects to be a millionaire. Had that dude actually done his job maybe he could have helped his company provide a better service and maybe he'd be moving up the chain. Instead he's a news report.
Honestly who are you cheating though? The guy thought outside the box and outsourced his work. He shared part of his salary and made his own wage and someone elses. You think VZW or any other big company wouldnt outsource work if they had a chance to save money? The company is just pissed because they didnt think of it before the guy did. Would you be ok with it if he used someone in the US to outsource his work to as opposed to China?
Im still not following the logic of giving up 35k in salary and working more btw. The entire point of going to work/having a business is to make enough money so you dont have to work more later in life and you can provide a good life for your children. Im all for looking for more satisfaction from your job but you can do that with the extra time.
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lol morals not even once.
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We don't know the full details and people are prematurely labeling him lazy.
This wasn't a mindless job function. In order for the outsourcing to be effective, he must have effectively managed the outsourcing enough such that he knew how to effectively use them. The article said he got great reviews and got his stuff done.
OneManArmy said he worked 10 hours but got paid 40... the similarity here is that the intended job for the position got completed.
Most tech jobs aren't about a "40 hr job". They are about getting tasks done that is expected to be a reasonable 40 hour job. If the person can get it done in less time, but the output is still good, then management didn't really care (unless it was a regular thing and needed to reevaluate the load of the person). Usually this is balanced in crunch times when the tasks take well over 40 hours.
If the dude (built an intelligent robot, summoned a magic genie, cloned himself, etc) that could do his work while he watched cat videos it'd be just fine. The problem was unauthorized usage of company networks.
This wasn't a mindless job function. In order for the outsourcing to be effective, he must have effectively managed the outsourcing enough such that he knew how to effectively use them. The article said he got great reviews and got his stuff done.
OneManArmy said he worked 10 hours but got paid 40... the similarity here is that the intended job for the position got completed.
Most tech jobs aren't about a "40 hr job". They are about getting tasks done that is expected to be a reasonable 40 hour job. If the person can get it done in less time, but the output is still good, then management didn't really care (unless it was a regular thing and needed to reevaluate the load of the person). Usually this is balanced in crunch times when the tasks take well over 40 hours.
If the dude (built an intelligent robot, summoned a magic genie, cloned himself, etc) that could do his work while he watched cat videos it'd be just fine. The problem was unauthorized usage of company networks.
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We don't know the full details and people are prematurely labeling him lazy.
This wasn't a mindless job function. In order for the outsourcing to be effective, he must have effectively managed the outsourcing enough such that he knew how to effectively use them. The article said he got great reviews and got his stuff done.
OneManArmy said he worked 10 hours but got paid 40... the similarity here is that the intended job for the position got completed.
Most tech jobs aren't about a "40 hr job". They are about getting tasks done that is expected to be a reasonable 40 hour job. If the person can get it done in less time, but the output is still good, then management didn't really care (unless it was a regular thing and needed to reevaluate the load of the person). Usually this is balanced in crunch times when the tasks take well over 40 hours.
If the dude (built an intelligent robot, summoned a magic genie, cloned himself, etc) that could do his work while he watched cat videos it'd be just fine. The problem was unauthorized usage of company networks.
This wasn't a mindless job function. In order for the outsourcing to be effective, he must have effectively managed the outsourcing enough such that he knew how to effectively use them. The article said he got great reviews and got his stuff done.
OneManArmy said he worked 10 hours but got paid 40... the similarity here is that the intended job for the position got completed.
Most tech jobs aren't about a "40 hr job". They are about getting tasks done that is expected to be a reasonable 40 hour job. If the person can get it done in less time, but the output is still good, then management didn't really care (unless it was a regular thing and needed to reevaluate the load of the person). Usually this is balanced in crunch times when the tasks take well over 40 hours.
If the dude (built an intelligent robot, summoned a magic genie, cloned himself, etc) that could do his work while he watched cat videos it'd be just fine. The problem was unauthorized usage of company networks.
It was the same at the other place I worked. Some weeks I'd put 70-80 hours in.
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Honestly who are you cheating though? The guy thought outside the box and outsourced his work. He shared part of his salary and made his own wage and someone elses. You think VZW or any other big company wouldnt outsource work if they had a chance to save money? The company is just pissed because they didnt think of it before the guy did. Would you be ok with it if he used someone in the US to outsource his work to as opposed to China?
Im still not following the logic of giving up 35k in salary and working more btw. The entire point of going to work/having a business is to make enough money so you dont have to work more later in life and you can provide a good life for your children. Im all for looking for more satisfaction from your job but you can do that with the extra time.
Verizon Anti-Outsourcing Rally: Bring Our Jobs Back!
lol morals not even once.
Im still not following the logic of giving up 35k in salary and working more btw. The entire point of going to work/having a business is to make enough money so you dont have to work more later in life and you can provide a good life for your children. Im all for looking for more satisfaction from your job but you can do that with the extra time.
Verizon Anti-Outsourcing Rally: Bring Our Jobs Back!
lol morals not even once.
That is not the point.
The point is this... I really can not make it any simpler.
They hire this guy... they hired HIS RESUMÉ and HIS BACKGROUND. They hired this guy for who he said he was and what he said he could do.
What he gave them is what someone else could do. That is not what they hired him for.
If they hired him for a task... like you would hire a contractor. That's another deal. I hired a contractor to do work on my house. I am hiring his reputation and his management abilities. I understand he will get the job done to a certain level... his level. Who he chooses to accomplish the tasks is his decision. That is completely different than what this guy did.
You being o.k. with this is saying essentially this...
You drop your car of at a shop to get some parts installed and a tune. Why did you pick that shop? Reputation and results.
So you leave and you go back to work. Pick up your car and find out that the tuner didn't work on it. He had some mexican he picked up at home depot install the parts and some junior high kid that tutors math do the tune.
Is that what you paid for?
****.
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I don't know if it was mentioned, but depending on what it might be, it could also put sensitive information at risk from an intellectual property standpoint as some material within most major companies is definitely trade restricted, especially to countries like China.
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When I go to a Japanese restaurant and order gyoza, sometimes I have the sneaking suspicion they are just frozen costco potstickers. They might be, but I went to the restaurant to get the end product. If most of the work was done by costco (instead of the envisioned 80 year old Japanese grandma gyoza-queen from Japan with flour covered hands) and they managed to make the experience and quality meet that of a restaurant, then they effectively delivered the product at a lower cost to themselves.
If I knew for sure this was happening, it might bother me. But you can't deny the fact that the end product was as expected (if it was).
If I knew for sure this was happening, it might bother me. But you can't deny the fact that the end product was as expected (if it was).
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And the scary part is this shows that with proper management, outsourcing of his job is totally a viable option.
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When I go to a Japanese restaurant and order gyoza, sometimes I have the sneaking suspicion they are just frozen costco potstickers. They might be, but I went to the restaurant to get the end product. If most of the work was done by costco (instead of the envisioned 80 year old Japanese grandma gyoza-queen from Japan with flour covered hands) and they managed to make the experience and quality meet that of a restaurant, then they effectively delivered the product at a lower cost to themselves.
If I knew for sure this was happening, it might bother me. But you can't deny the fact that the end product was as expected (if it was).
If I knew for sure this was happening, it might bother me. But you can't deny the fact that the end product was as expected (if it was).
And beyond that you did not sign a contract. You didn't go in to that restaurant and say... is all of this food hand made today? If they had a sign on the door that said 100% hand made on site and you found out they were serving you frozen food you would have a valid reason to ask for your money back.
And any quality japanese restaurant is making that **** in house.
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As for what this guy did... illegal is stretching it. Forgive me.
Point is that it's unethical and should not be celebrated. This country is ****ed because of the mentality that this guy has and all of you that are worshipping at his feet.
You want to sit on your *** and let others do your work for you then feel free. But don't be pissed when one of those guys takes your job and you're *** out with no marketable skills because the industry has passed you by.
Or start your own company.
Get hired to do a job... do it. Yourself. Pretty simple really.
I would expect to get fired from every job I've ever had and ever will have if I did something like this. Unethical. Lazy. Breach of trust. Breach of contract. Instant termination. Escorted out.
Illegal definitely not the right word for me to use but one could make a case that Verizon could go after him for damages...
I didn't ever think that he would go to prison for this... unless of course he knowingly sent technology to competition and benefitted from it... that would be criminal.
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You being o.k. with this is saying essentially this...
You drop your car of at a shop to get some parts installed and a tune. Why did you pick that shop? Reputation and results.
So you leave and you go back to work. Pick up your car and find out that the tuner didn't work on it. He had some mexican he picked up at home depot install the parts and some junior high kid that tutors math do the tune.
Is that what you paid for?
****.
This guy didnt hire some potato to do his programming for him. He hired someone who did legit work.
@Wilde : I lol'd and I will let you know on Saturday about the smog. Racks are full to the point where I cant do an oil change on my own car.
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See that's my view on it as far as legality goes. Likes subletting a house.
He didn't inform his employer what he was doing and he was not hired to form a team.
He was hired to actually do the job... himself.
There is a HUGE difference.
If I hired you to do the paint the walls in my house and you were the painter... not a company.... not a team... the painter. And I walked in my house and you weren't even there... just a bunch of people I never met doing the work I'd be pissed.
Good job or not... That wasn't the AGREEMENT. The agreement he signed was that HE would be doing the work.
It's wrong any way you look at it. Creative, efficient... whatever. It's wrong.
He didn't inform his employer what he was doing and he was not hired to form a team.
He was hired to actually do the job... himself.
There is a HUGE difference.
If I hired you to do the paint the walls in my house and you were the painter... not a company.... not a team... the painter. And I walked in my house and you weren't even there... just a bunch of people I never met doing the work I'd be pissed.
Good job or not... That wasn't the AGREEMENT. The agreement he signed was that HE would be doing the work.
It's wrong any way you look at it. Creative, efficient... whatever. It's wrong.
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Originally Posted by OneManArmy
you just keep making my point for me....
generation give me...
Your "my generation is holier than thou" routine is getting tiring, not everyone shares the same values as you, GET OVER IT!
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