Fourteen Characteristics of Fascism
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What's your point, that America is leaning towards facism? Import sportscars have turbos. Dodge just turbo'd it's neon. OH NOES!!! Dodge is becoming an import!
Point is this: some people have SO little faith in the fundamental construction of our American society. They see things like the Patriot Act and complain that our way of life is dying and all is going to hell. 95 percent of the people who complain this are avid readers of politics but have NEVER actually studied politial science in. It's like people who claim to be "green" and use solar panels, not realizing that solar panels are unbelievably energy inefficient to manufacture in addition to all the material wastage in producing them. Not to mention the bunch of ignoramus who complained against the electorial college in the 2000 election.
If you people think politics is going awry, don't go around preaching, all you are doing is provaking anarchy. If you are a real American, take it to the courts, write to your congressmen, do stuff that MATTERS instead of inciting the populace.
Also, social scientists are often inadequatly prepared to study the reality of their own fields of expertise.
Point is this: some people have SO little faith in the fundamental construction of our American society. They see things like the Patriot Act and complain that our way of life is dying and all is going to hell. 95 percent of the people who complain this are avid readers of politics but have NEVER actually studied politial science in. It's like people who claim to be "green" and use solar panels, not realizing that solar panels are unbelievably energy inefficient to manufacture in addition to all the material wastage in producing them. Not to mention the bunch of ignoramus who complained against the electorial college in the 2000 election.
If you people think politics is going awry, don't go around preaching, all you are doing is provaking anarchy. If you are a real American, take it to the courts, write to your congressmen, do stuff that MATTERS instead of inciting the populace.
Also, social scientists are often inadequatly prepared to study the reality of their own fields of expertise.
my point is simple, that out of the 14 chareteristics of facism 13 have been in the headlines recently. 13 out of 14 can be seen to have happened or are continuing to happen in our society, granted no where near the levels of a facist state, but the fact of the matter that we are marching down that path is what is so alarming.
And as for my experience with facism, it is probably great then most on this forum, my family has lived through alot of it in south america, from pinochet, to the military regimes in brasil. Not to mention my close personal ties with family and freinds who have dealt with it in eastern euro countries as well as italy during WW2.
Granted i never had to live in a faicst state but i sure as hell dont plan on it either.
And people who preach are far from promoting anarchy, that is a very very simplistic view of things, they are if anything sewing the oats of democracy, democracy is and allways has been built on the abliity to "whine and *****" about politics and other topics at hand. Your attempt to paint those people who "whine and *****" as anarchistic people are is simply assinine.
And for the record if i wasnt in such a screwed up situation i would be more active in political ways (ie orginizing rallys, etc etc). But i have larger issues to deal with right now.
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The 14 characteristics are:
Do i really need to comment more on this one? all you have to do is rem back to after 911 when all the bandwagon patriots were running aropund putting flags on anything they could..
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...=Google+Search
Granted this is yet to be a SYSTEM WIDE ISSUE, but the sheer fact that the DOJ was trying to come up with legal grounds for torture and other such violations of human rights DOES raise a red flag, and it SHOULD.
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/200...ure_memos.html
^havent read it all but it compares the infamous "Commisonars Order" with bushes rules of war.
http://166.70.44.66/2004/Jun/0617200...a/commenta.asp
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/terror-qaeda.html
Emanuel Goldstein LIVES!!!!!! WAR IS PEACE!!! CHOCOLATE RATIONS ARE UP 15%!!!
http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle6270.htm
http://slate.msn.com/id/2088277/
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita.../fy04gbpdf.pdf page 4-16 18-20 are interesting as well.
I dont think this is truely an issue at all in our society, granted it is but agian it is the minority, we have yet to ahve any laws that are attemtping to crack down on womens rights (other then the abortion debate).
http://www.cjr.org/tools/owners/
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publ...icle_896.shtml
http://www.fair.org/extra/0111/patri...ensorship.html
http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/program/nmd/
The 14 characteristics are:
Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -- Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
Do i really need to comment more on this one? all you have to do is rem back to after 911 when all the bandwagon patriots were running aropund putting flags on anything they could..
Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -- Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need". The people tend to 'look the other way' or even approve of torture, summary executions,
assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
Granted this is yet to be a SYSTEM WIDE ISSUE, but the sheer fact that the DOJ was trying to come up with legal grounds for torture and other such violations of human rights DOES raise a red flag, and it SHOULD.
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/200...ure_memos.html
^havent read it all but it compares the infamous "Commisonars Order" with bushes rules of war.
http://166.70.44.66/2004/Jun/0617200...a/commenta.asp
Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -- The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/terror-qaeda.html
Emanuel Goldstein LIVES!!!!!! WAR IS PEACE!!! CHOCOLATE RATIONS ARE UP 15%!!!
Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
4. Supremacy of the Military -- Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2088277/
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita.../fy04gbpdf.pdf page 4-16 18-20 are interesting as well.
Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
5. Rampant Sexism -- The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are
made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
6. Controlled Mass Media -- Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or through sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in wartime, is very common.
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publ...icle_896.shtml
http://www.fair.org/extra/0111/patri...ensorship.html
Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
7. Obsession with National Security -- Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
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Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -- Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
"According to Abbas, Bush said: 'God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them.'"
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/inter...075950,00.html
"Bush believes he was called by God to lead the nation at this time, says Commerce Secretary Don Evans, a close friend who talks with Bush every day. His history degree from Yale makes him mindful of the importance of the moment. He knows he's making "history-changing decisions," Evans says. But Bush doesn't keep a diary or other personal record of the events that will form his legacy. Aides take notes, but there's no stenographer in most meetings, nor are they videotaped or recorded."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/fbci/
and the gem of this post
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...tacodalogin=no
Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
9. Corporate Power is Protected -- The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRel...ns/Evasion.asp
dividend tax cuts, tax shelters, the only thing that has been moderatly good in the land of corporate goverment was sas70, and that wasnt even done by bush, hell if i rem correctly he fought that as well not to mention gutted it from its orginal form.
http://www.whistleblower.org/uploads...%208.14.03.pdf
that link is a gem.
Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
10. Labor Power is Suppressed -- Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated
entirely or are severely suppressed.
entirely or are severely suppressed.
http://www.aflcio.org/issuespolitics/ns10032003.cfm
http://www.prospect.org/print/V14/3/borosage-r.html
Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -- Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0219-02.htm
http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,62339,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/...151187,00.html
Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -- Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses, and even forego civil liberties, in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
http://www.economist.com/world/na/di...ory_id=1270755
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Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -- Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions, and who use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for
national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/...on/default.stm
Do you need any more proof then this two shinings starts of corporate and politcal corruption? Maybe some caryle group links?
Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
14. Fraudulent Elections -- Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against (or
even the assassination of) opposition candidates, the use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and the manipulation of the
media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
even the assassination of) opposition candidates, the use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and the manipulation of the
media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
13 out of 14 not bad!!!!
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Originally Posted by verc
Dude, that describes the Christian religion almost EXACTLY. WOW I think I'll resign my christianity right now because Christianity is SO FACSIST!!!
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Ad Hominem... (Argument to the Man) falacious argument #1. Don't attack Dre's typing ablilties, attack his ideas.
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