fahrenheit 9/11
bowling has much more of a spin then far911 for the records.. you can tell he tried to keep the spin to the min and use facts to the max. It is still an ope peice but who can argue with the mother who lost her kid? and the ignroant lady who told this weeping mother that she was lieng about her kids death for the cameras....
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Moore would have you believe that Bush is worse than the people who cut people's heads off. If you believe that too then kiss my grits.
Basically a DNC propaganda piece from what I understand. I'm sure lots of sheeple will take it at face value though.
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Just do some research on your own, into Michael Moore's "truths". You'll find most of them are lies or huge distortions of the real truth.
But I wouldn't expect anyone who runs out and sees that movie to do their own research. You libs like to be spoonfed.
I did some of it for you:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/
http://www.moorelies.com/
But I wouldn't expect anyone who runs out and sees that movie to do their own research. You libs like to be spoonfed.

I did some of it for you:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/
http://www.moorelies.com/
Do I wholeheartedly agree with more Moore on his views, absolutely NOT. Do I believe everything in the film to be 100% accurate, absolutely NOT. The film itselfs attempts to convey Moore's point of view not through rational thought, but rather through one's emotions. And for this I feel Moore is no better than the man (George W. Bush) he insists manipulated our emotions through fear, because Moore's film is guilty of attempting to stir emotions of anger and discontent within it's audience.
To his credit, I feel that Moore raised legitimate questions about possible conflicts of interest and the true motive when it came to the invasion (and subsequent occupation) of Iraq. A well know cliche amongst economists is that if you want to stimulate the economy, go to war (it was not the New Deal of the 1930's that pulled the US out of the Great Depression but rather WW2). George W. Bush was advised by experts NOT to invade Iraq, but he did. After the invasion, George W. Bush was advised to commit more resources in re-building Iraq (more troops and money) in order to minimize the occupation period. Failure to do so would lead to civil unrest and resentment by the Iraqi people. The Bush administration failed to do so and our troops are suffering the consequence. The hastily assembled interim government (the result of an effort to calm civil tensions amongst the Iraqi citizens) does not even have a ratified constitution and no where near having one ratified by the deadline given. The window for a successful establishment of a unified Iraqi government has now passed and we will continue to have to watch our troops suffer as the administration tries to clean up this mess.
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Its juss really interesting and sometimes funny leftist propaganda.....i would have to say it does display alot of information that the common american citizen wouldn't know about bush and the war and all........although mike moore did exclude some facts i.e. (how the clinton adminstration allowed the iranians visit...not the bush administration)......overall the movie was interesting as hell....i give it a thumbs up.....
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What are some of these lies? give me examples. I trust moore a whole lot more then Bush. i havent seen the movie but i saw a clip where bush says "we need to stop terrorism, now watch this swing." I was so PISSED. I really liked Bowling for columbine, and Roger and me.
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Originally Posted by 02silversuby
What are some of these lies? give me examples. I trust moore a whole lot more then Bush. i havent seen the movie but i saw a clip where bush says "we need to stop terrorism, now watch this swing." I was so PISSED. I really liked Bowling for columbine, and Roger and me.
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im with mexicandude! on this.. if you are going to take this movie for what it is and not as someones POINT OF VIEW then your a lame voter.. you need to go out an find the truth and make up your own mind...
but since we live in a tv is real world i guess that to much to ask and not to mention most are just followers neways...
edgar,
but since we live in a tv is real world i guess that to much to ask and not to mention most are just followers neways...
edgar,
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Originally Posted by mexicanpizza
Yes because a president, WHILE ON THE GOLF COURSE, has never made a remark to reporters. If you were pissed off, think about Moore interviewing women and HOPING their kids die so he can use them in his movie. There is no way he randomly interviewed ONE woman and by dumb luck her son died in Iraq. I'm sure he interviewed 20++ hoping there would be a death.
He's the President, not a uniform wearing grunt. He has no purpose in the battle field. He's the most powerful man in the world! For Bush to make a witty reference to his golf swing is extremely worthless... Who cares if he was eating a hot dog at a Yankee's game and said "Now watch this bite" after making a terrorist reference?
There's been a rotation of 250,000+ U.S. troops into OIF and he manages to find one of the 854 (ALL NATIONS) deceased servicemen's parents? That's a .003% chance... should have bought a few lottery tickets instead.
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Let's show up on Kerry's off time and ask him question's while he's doing something he enjoy's, then make a movie about it.
That being said, refer to my first post in this thread.
That being said, refer to my first post in this thread.
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Originally Posted by Ex-ricer
The most political statment I'll ever make is this:
If Bush and Kerry are our only two choices, the country is in for a world of hurt. Go, Nader!
If Bush and Kerry are our only two choices, the country is in for a world of hurt. Go, Nader!
thank you
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Originally Posted by 02silversuby
What are some of his lies?
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It's not mainly based lies as i'm sure some of his points were based on fact. It's based on deception!
You think Moore's going to put the interviews that went sour in his film. No he isn't, because that would disprove his point(s) or lack thereof. You pull a ticket out of the hat once and the odds of pulling your number are slim to none. On the other hand, if you pull from the same hat numerous times, like Moore, the odds of getting what you want are greater.
After he got a collection of tickets with the number he wanted, Moore engineered an extremely biased film that cannot be categorized as lies. You see what i mean?


