The Salvation Army in Fresno is searching for a way to replace nearly 30% of its annual donations after a decision by Target Corp. to ban bell ringers and red kettles from its stores across the nation.

i am normally not this into this kinda thing but i think everyone should know...

Target Corp. will only donate to the gay/lesbian foundation (no offense to any gays) but i think having a guy ringing a bell to gather donations to help the needy isnt a bad thing to allow, its more like a bad thing to disallow...

i am sorry but i feel that the hungry and needy are in more of a need of donation and help this time of the year then the gay/lesbian foundations are.

anyway i dunno.. i wouldnt be suprised if this got deleted just cause it has nothing to do with imprezas, but its just an IMO piece...

again i normally do not like complaining like a left wing extremist with a picket sign, but c'mon guys.. pretend target does not exist this year... serious.

-greg

 

do you have any sources saying that target only donates to gay/lesbian foundations?

 

Although I don't agree with what Target is doing in regards to the Salvation Army, Target is undoubtedly one of the most generous retailers in history to the broad range of communities where they have stores. Not only are they generous to their neighbors they are also generous to their employees. I dunno where you got yout "gay/lesbian foundation" stuff. For all I know they may donate to such foundations, but it is for sure not the only recipient of their generosity.

$2,000,000 per week to local education, sports, art, and to other charities like St. Jude's.

http://target.com/target_group/commu...5ffcg%5ffindex

jason

 

jason knows about charitable causes for sure

 

well i may have been misinformed about the gay/lesbian thing but i remember it being a big thing on the news, not saying they are always right, but you can generally believe something like that when its on the news..

i will see if i can find some resources on the topic of the gay/lesbian thing.
not that, that is the most important part of my post. my main thing is how they would not allow a salvation army volunteer on their grounds.. i think thats just wrong, like the first paragraph i posted in this thread, 30% of the donations came from the target grounds..
i just dont understand how they could not want to help.. ive never met anyone whose been offended by that salvation army bell ringer.

again i am sorry if i got the gay lesbian thing wrong, i will research it some and see.

 

This is where your error began

If you're lucky enough to actually be involved in something that makes it into a news cast, that is in the least way controversial, you'll realize that the news is only really good enough for making you aware an issue exists. As for facts that help you weigh the matter? Those are reported by people trying to make money to earn a living and get ahead and have that and other personal agendas in mind. I'm not saying the news is some conspiracy-laden business, its just more opinion and mis-information than you think.

jason

 

They've banned all donation-seekers outside their stores, not just the Salvation Army. The gay/lesbian issue here is that the Salvation Army, as a Christian organization, does discriminate against gays and lesbians. Not to say that the Salvation Army doesn't do a lot of good, but the tidbit from local news that stuck in yer craw was probably from gay/lesbian activists saying that the Salvation Army ain't the total shizznit.

 

Curious: how does the SA discriminate against gay and lesbians?

 

well its not direct really.. but SA is christian based "salvation" being salvation of christ,
but in the christian religion, being gay is wrong. "man should not sleep in the same bed as man" so in a sense SA is moraly against homosexuality. although the SA is christian based but was created to help the needy, gay or not.

 

I think it's a matter of perspective. (My own is that I'm willing to spout off, but don't care enough to be totally informed about what I'm spouting.)

The meat of the issue may be that the Salvation Army does not want to be forced to provide spousal-type benefits to same-sex partners of its employees.

Thus, gay activists cheer Target's decision, saying that the SA is a homophobic organization.

Meanwihle, conservative Christian organizaitons trash Target, saying the corporation has kowtowed to the gay agenda.

And Target says it just doesn't want to have to provide similar access to all callers.

Pick your bias.

 

i was a little over reactive i guess, but i still feel like SA does WAAAYY more good then harm and target being such a "caring" company should let the SA collect on their doorstep.

 

Just make sure you donate if you feel they do some good and instead of boycotting Target encourage the rest of us to donate as well

I heard this story about a month ago when it was first announced. Nothing about an international gay conspiracy hastening the apocalypse was mentioned at that time. Nor anything more down to earth like employee benefits. More that Target didn't want to put itself in the position of having to cater to all comers as far as front door charity solicitors were concerned.

And I don't think it necessarily follows that Christians believe that being gay is "wrong" - though a particular bigotted and/or ignorant set of them generally characterized as the religious right have made it an issue. As far as I know Jesus had nothing to say on the subject, it's only some obscure line on the old Testament book of Leviticus that has any bearing on the subject and that, as with all scripture, is subject to interpretation.

It does appear to be true that the US Sally army is making an issue of the gay thing. A big issue in New York apparently. The question really is why the Salvation Army wants to undermine their good works by making the gay thing an issue at all when it is really has nothing to do with true christian faith or their mission. Rather a black eye for the Sally army I think.

And no I'm not gay or religious

 

So the SA will joyfully help the needy, gay or not, and yet they are discriminators? Before using such language about a group and its beliefs, it would be wise to interpret their beliefs through their actions rather than an outsider's perception of their language. Going into a lengthly explanation isn't worth it. But please see the major disconnect between your accusation and your own admission regarding their behavior.

Hopefully we can drop this part of the thread.

jason

 

Here's a link to Target's official position on the issue.

http://target.com/target_group/commu...citation.jhtml

and the story on Fox ( hardly the bastion of gay sympathies one would think)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,139164,00.html

Nothing about gay's there. Home Depot and Best Buy have similar solicitation bans it appears. It also appears that Target enacted the ban back in January of 2004.

The salvation army vs gay thing is interesting but appears to be irrelavent to the Target ban since that furor is more recent. The issue the SA chose to fight was around providing benefits to domestic partners in New York and the national leadership overturned a decision by the SA western territories to provide benefits to domestic partners. Lots of gnashing of teeth and renting of hair took place around these domestic partner decisions. It was required that they provide these benefits to continue receiving money they get from the various city and state governments for running various programs for the needy.

So Greg, I'm sure your heart in the right place but do some research before making accusations and fermenting revolution. Remember, Google is your friend

 

i was wrong sorry about that. my main idea was how they would want to stop a group that helps so many people, from collecting on their grounds, i still think thats wrong.. target or anyone, does not have to do anything but let them be there..

and mmboost.. i support the SA, it sounded like you were thinking i didnt???