Can someone who has installed a Greddy FMIC comment on this?
Originally posted by Krinkov
This is the way its supposed to be cut.
You supposed to leave the top part where the bumper cover clips into, and the intercooler will fit under. This is basically what the JDMs are like
This is the way its supposed to be cut.
You supposed to leave the top part where the bumper cover clips into, and the intercooler will fit under. This is basically what the JDMs are like
What up with that? Was that photo taken half way through the install???Lowball
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I used a sidewheel cutter, worked great. Greddy is nice, so is Blitz...the Blitz has a bit bigger core, not much bigger. I have had both...(among many set-ups) and would have to say I have had no issues with the Blitz. My only issue with the Greddy was the reducer was splitting as tated in the original post.
So, which ever you can get for the better price go for it.
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So, which ever you can get for the better price go for it.
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Krinkov, i dunno, maybe they are different...but when I did mine the top piece was so thin and the clips wouldn't even go through the wholes, because there was not room due to the FMIC being there.
Therfore, most people cut it off....leaving nothing but 2 lil pieces of bumper beam on the sides....which is not going to protect anything if you get hit in the front. So, as a result, everything was removed.
Now as far as a JDM bumper beam, I had one, but the guy I bought it from told me he had to cut it as well, and that the "NO CUTTING" rule, was not true. Maybe he was wrong, but he cut it up...I finished it and later just took it off. huh?...oh well.
-freddie
Therfore, most people cut it off....leaving nothing but 2 lil pieces of bumper beam on the sides....which is not going to protect anything if you get hit in the front. So, as a result, everything was removed.
Now as far as a JDM bumper beam, I had one, but the guy I bought it from told me he had to cut it as well, and that the "NO CUTTING" rule, was not true. Maybe he was wrong, but he cut it up...I finished it and later just took it off.
huh?...oh well. -freddie
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First off I would totally dissagree with the statement that the Blitz and Greddy FMIC's are "nice" I think they are without a doubt the two most poorly designed setups out there for WRX's. And I'm really curious to hear about this twin intercooler set up, seem rather reduntant to me, but I'm all ears.
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why are they not nice? I have a Blitz and like it. I have had both actually. Please explain...maybe you had a bad experience with them.
Or maybe I should rephrase....they are nice for the $$$
-freddie
Or maybe I should rephrase....they are nice for the $$$
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I think they are what you get for the money, you get a name and a cheap intercooler. I think the piping is a joke, the connections and hoses are poorly designed and the cores are nothing special.
IMHO the two best out there are ARC and AVO. I'd go AVO.
IMHO the two best out there are ARC and AVO. I'd go AVO.
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Well I think everyone realizes that you "get what you pay for"
but for the 1000 dollar used, getting the Lower grade IC plus an intake vs. getting a TMIC?
I'm not sure of course but it seems like the poorly designed FMIC will still be a better value given the price for a higher HP application?
but for the 1000 dollar used, getting the Lower grade IC plus an intake vs. getting a TMIC?
I'm not sure of course but it seems like the poorly designed FMIC will still be a better value given the price for a higher HP application?
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I am running GReddy FMIC on my car.
I ran over 25psi on a T67 and never had any issues with the hose clamps or silicon connectors. I do want to get better camps, jus because they are easier to take off and put back on.
I ran over 25psi on a T67 and never had any issues with the hose clamps or silicon connectors. I do want to get better camps, jus because they are easier to take off and put back on.
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I'd have to disagree there, if I was given the choice between either the blitz and greddy front mounts or an AVO TMIC I'd pick the AVO every time. There are many things to think about when choosing an intercooler, but the main one is design and the flow characteristics inherent with that design. The Blitz and Greddy models are simply welded together intercoolers, with no real thought as to airflow or even distribution throughout the core.
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Originally posted by punkrocksailor
I'd have to disagree there, if I was given the choice between either the blitz and greddy front mounts or an AVO TMIC I'd pick the AVO every time. There are many things to think about when choosing an intercooler, but the main one is design and the flow characteristics inherent with that design. The Blitz and Greddy
models are simply welded together intercoolers, with no real thought as to airflow or even distribution throughout the core.
I'd have to disagree there, if I was given the choice between either the blitz and greddy front mounts or an AVO TMIC I'd pick the AVO every time. There are many things to think about when choosing an intercooler, but the main one is design and the flow characteristics inherent with that design. The Blitz and Greddy
models are simply welded together intercoolers, with no real thought as to airflow or even distribution throughout the core.
I agree with you totally. I was originally going to buy a used APS/AVO/TXS TMIC all the way because
1. If I got in a frontal, the FMIC would be destroyed
2. I was afraid of the additional lag
However, I may be running a large turbo (VF22/30 upgraded to PE series or deadbolt 20g) a couple years down the line, and from flipping through a few textbooks for formulas to make approximations on efficiency loss due to endtank turbulence and bad piping design (although I don't know very much about the numerical efficiencies of the actual core designs) versus efficiency gain from the sheer volume of air being flowed and the fact that airflow would be straight on and some rough calculations of additional heat (I assumed the stock heatshield would dissipate roughly 50 percent, and a turbo flowing 2X would produce 2X heat, not to mention that it will be CLOSER to the larger TMIC, and I believe the fact that the stock splitter not being able to cover the whole TMIC will create internal turbulence due to the hotspots as well), I thought that the FMIC would be a better choice. Again I'm not sure, I didn't actually calculate anything (I can't because I don't know the angles of the piping for any of the IC's nor the constants of the materials they are made of nor do I have a good pyrometer etc.), but that was my rationale. Also I though that the decreased airflow to the radiator would increase the operating temps a little bit, but if Redline Water Wetter really does decrease temps by 10-20 degrees, it should be sufficient to compensate. I dunno, that was also an assumption I made.
Feel free to correct me/comment, there's a good chance I am wrong.
Imprezzer, how come with a badass turbo like yours and a big block and sponsers, you are not running a larger intercooler advertised to support the flowrate of your turbo?
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With an aftermarket gauge I wasn't able to see any difference in normal operating temperature with the addition of water wetter. I think it's nice to have in your car due to it's thermal capabilities, but I think the only time it really shines is on the track. As for the TMIC and FMIC debate; I'd take a well designed FMIC (i.e. ARC or AVO) any day of the week. Personally, I think the best configuration would be one where the Intake manifold was flipped 180 degrees (so that the throttle body is facing the radiator) with the radiator dropped a few inches lower and the intercooler mounted in the grill area. This would, IMHO, be the best possible compromise. You would have decreased IC piping due to the intake being flipped and the core being higher, you would not be preheating your radiator, and the intercooler would get all the fresh air dead on. That's the route I'll be going with, I'm just waiting for the british pound to drop a little so I can order a WRC core with endtanks.
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heh, that was during the install. I had to fab alot of the piping myself so it was just up ther eto measure/cut piping.
But as a matter of fact...
Everything went together well, but I shortly after installed a VF34 and put the top mount and stock air box back on until it gets tuned so that I dont run the risk of running lean, in the meantime the FMIC is still bolted on since Im just going to hook it back up, bot for a while ther will be two intercooler on the car
But as a matter of fact...
Everything went together well, but I shortly after installed a VF34 and put the top mount and stock air box back on until it gets tuned so that I dont run the risk of running lean, in the meantime the FMIC is still bolted on since Im just going to hook it back up, bot for a while ther will be two intercooler on the car
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Originally posted by Krinkov
heh, that was during the install. I had to fab alot of the piping myself so it was just up ther eto measure/cut piping.
But as a matter of fact...
Everything went together well, but I shortly after installed a VF34 and put the top mount and stock air box back on until it gets tuned so that I dont run the risk of running lean, in the meantime the FMIC is still bolted on since Im just going to hook it back up, bot for a while ther will be two intercooler on the car
heh, that was during the install. I had to fab alot of the piping myself so it was just up ther eto measure/cut piping.
But as a matter of fact...
Everything went together well, but I shortly after installed a VF34 and put the top mount and stock air box back on until it gets tuned so that I dont run the risk of running lean, in the meantime the FMIC is still bolted on since Im just going to hook it back up, bot for a while ther will be two intercooler on the car
Krinkov, you fabbed your own piping?
This is actually another alternative I'm looking at. Did you do you own bending or did you order bended piping from an exhaust company or something? I know Road Race Engineering sells a crapload variation of bends for the DIY intercooler guy. And if you bended it custom, did you get it mandrel bended?