cracker1252

a lot of adults have the same issue...

06stibeast

SomethingClassy

What is a hand gun, fully automatic firearm, and/or assault type firearm a tool for?

brucelee

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Same as a paintball gun, or whatever... It's fun as hell to go shooting and you can use it for protection.

Overbear

A gun, simple. I do what I have done with many friends. A day at the range, first few hours teaching basics like safe handling and drilling into their heads how to care and be safe with the firearms. Then the rest of the day shooting, practice, and again more safety drills.

Overbear

Its immaterial what its used for. The constitution is quite clear that we, the people are given the right to arm ourselves. Not for hunting, not for target practice, but to protect ourselves from criminals, and our own government.

cracker1252

thats just one person you are teaching though.

tkarabian

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There was a drill this morning at Valley Fair mall in SJ/SC. It ran until 9 or 9:30am, before the mall was open.

kyoung05

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Well, for starters, society can stop treating guns like "water sports," i.e. taboo, and actually start to talk about them. Instead of teaching kids to think "ooh, guns, scary" we can teach children (and adults) how to handle firearms responsibly so that they aren't so many accidental firearm-related deaths.

Take knives for instance - do we feel the best policy is to just keep them hidden and hope the kids don't find them? Or, instead, do we teach ours kids that yes, they're sharp, but when handled carefully and used responsibly, they are greatly useful tools? Firearms are no different. People need to quit acting like they're some kind of forbidden fruit and treat them like they're a part of everyday life, because they are.
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kyoung05

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First of all, "assault type firearm," just like "assault weapon" is a stupid term. It means nothing. All weapons are or can be used to "assault," although the legislature would have you believe that a firearm holding 10 rounds of ammo is somehow less "assault-y" than one holding 11 rounds.

In any case, yes, the purpose of firearms is to make things dead. While they can be used for recreational purposes, oftentimes, those "recreational purposes" often involve honing one's skills to better make things dead. So what? A gun's purpose is just as important, and just as relevant in today's society as a car, a wrench, or any other tool. In fact, in many ways, a gun is probably THE most important tool. To think otherwise is not only naive, but dangerous. The more people are led to believe that guns have no purpose in today's society, the closer we get to disarmament of the citizenry. Once that happens...
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AntiochCali

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I agree that a gun is a tool - but a weapon like a gun allows a vast increase in the delivery of damage versus a stick - which is also a weapon. A stick is also a lot less likely to do damage to some bystander.

I don't know if I agree with easy CCW laws or not, I kind of like the open carry idea better, but having a loaded rapid fire distance weapon to hand, greatly increases the total amount of damage that can be inflicted, rightly or wrongly.

AntiochCali

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I've thought about this a bit, I would suggest a middle ground, allow SR .25 caliber, 4 shot semi automatics to be CCW easily.

I think if you are gunning for someone, and they are close enough to do damage with this kind of a weapon, it's unlikely that any bystander would get hurt, or hurt significantly (yes you could hit an eye, but you are gunning for someone specific - so it shouldn't happen and a .25 will not penetrate much more than clothing), and you've still got your equalizer for a short ranged attack.

SomethingClassy

Making people dead is just as important and relevant today as the transportation of people and goods? Making people dead is as important as the production of food (mill)? Making people dead is as important as the sharing of information (interwebz, books, written word, radio)?

I must be super dangerous. I must be more dangerous than a religious extremist with no regard for life an 12 ICBMs with codes. A gun comes in moderately low on my list of important tools.

Knife, duct tape, WD40, watch, rope, hammer, computer mouse, pen (writing instruments) and condom are reasonably more important. Depending on your lifestyle choices the last might not be useful to you. Historically or personally, a gun is more important than all of that?

brucelee

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My well being and safety rank above everything on your list but food.

sammae01

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Our country was built on firearms and law abiding citizens owning them. Just because some people believe the invention/use/ownership of firearms is absurd doesn't mean we don't need them.

Either way, how did this go from shots fired at local sj mall to another firearms argument. It was a training exercise, now lets all talk about topics relevant to the OP.