I'm in Washington visiting family and I went to a LGS in Oregon and they had .223 ammo for $2 a round. Ridiculous prices, even in Oregon and Washington.

 

Makes me glad I can still find 5.45x39 for $0.18/round.

 

.45 power advantage is negligible? You should have seen the ballistics testing we did on Frozen turkeys (which were then thawed out), .45HP is NO JOKE, tore a hole bigger than my head out of the back of the turkey. It's a big *** heavy round that does a lot of damage.

My G21 holds 13+1 rounds of .45ACP, if you can't shoot someone with 13+1 rounds, you should have a shotgun. Also. since we're in CA, capacity doesn't really play a huge factor into the equation since you're limited to ten rounds anyway, unless like you mentioned and someone has a 1911 which is 7 rounds... But still, if you can't hit someone with 7 round.... well, you know my thoughts on that.

You're the first person I've ever heard talk negatively towards .45 in terms of HD.

Another advantage is it's mass also makes it less likely to go through walls and kill a neighbor.

 

Uuuuuh, wut? When?

 

these are dangerous times we live in

 

wait... you got a CCW or just saying if you had a CCW a 9mm would be it...

if the former rather than the latter... spill the beans dude.

 

I've got two CCW's (Utah and Arizona) neither of which is worth a damn in CA.

I'm saying when I CCW 9mm is it.

Springfield EMP with Pow r ball 9mm

 

Did you actually read my posts in their entirety? You asked for a reason, I played devil's advocate and made a simple fact comparison between the two rounds. I never was negatively towards 45ACP (it is a great round), I just don't think there is anything wrong with 40S&W either (as Lowend said, it's a well proven well tested round).

I never said 45ACP is a joke; I said 40S&W is not far behind it in stopping power. Both will kill the crap out of you. I also never advised against using it for home defense. I said that quickly and effectively putting rounds on target(s) matters more in a stressful situation (obviously with whatever you are best trained/comfortable with). And I do have a shotgun within easy reach as well

Regarding your capacity comment...IMHO capacity is capacity, even if it +2 more in a G22. I just rather have more in case it is a group of intruders and reload time might mean serious trouble. I also made that as a general comment with SHTF perspective (and having residences outside CA). And over penetration is a concern I have with all rounds if you ask me...what exactly can some siding, insulation and drywall stop exactly?

Firearms are just like cars...different things work for different people. We are all on the same side here.

 

With the potential threat of N.Korea.. You best get a rocket launcher!!!!!

 

Fork that, I am going back to my old Soviet block. I can get a group discount on nuclear subs and cold war era nukes

 

I think N Korea probably already beat you to it

 

No, but you can use those to get it in the 31 other states that are shall issue.

 

Damn it! I knew I left something off my holiday shopping list!

 

The mossberg tactical yes, but without a pistol grip (my preference).

I had swapped out my standard stock for an adjustable stock with pistol grip. When I took it to class one of the instructors told me that I probably wasn't going to like that grip very much and after a couple of hours I discovered he was correct. Thankfully I'd brought along my standard stock and swapped it during lunch. My wrist and cheek were much happier after the swap.

I wasn't the only one unhappy with the grip but I was the only one that brought a backup so I could make the change.

 

I felt the same way about my buddy's Mossberg. Shot it before and after he switched to the pistol grip and I liked it a lot better without.