Wow dude, why the defensiveness? I was just trying to clear things up because we were discussing it. Plus if you said you went to SCCA event where people compete for points or what not. It's better to know beforehand than when at the event. I'm just putting it out there as a reminder to other people because other people also seemed confused about the classing. Was just trying to be friendly. As other people have backed me on this, you're in STU because of your wheels. In the event you did do well and trophied for the DS class, you're going to have people mad at you.

You always take advice and heads-up as offensive?

 

No, was more the way you phrased it. I felt you were being very condicending to me. I had no idea i placed, plus, I really do not understand why id be "STU" class if i run different rims.... i have stock tires, which actually i think i did worse cos they are stretched onto the rim (as i think a couple people pointed out). I appologize i didnt mean to get so defensive about it, i thought you were just pointing it out to make me wrong in public.

Also, Isnt STU (Street touring) involve an upgrade in performance? This is an honest question because i do not understand what moves what into what class. I marked it down as "D-stock" because the only change is the rims, everything else (tires included) is stock. I would find it hard to believe people would get mad at different rims. Plus, i placed? whhaaaaat? i dont believe that.

What i read on the SCCA thing online said "WRX (no specification of engine type) are d stock". thats why i put it there. I left before, so it really doesnt matter now does it?


Also - Heres the 2006 Edition of the SCCA stock classifications
http://www.moutons.org/sccasolo/Lists/2006/stockc.html

Taken from SCCA page
If your car is a normally aspirated sedan (four seats, four factory seatbelts, not sports-car derived) of 3.1 Liters or less, or one of a few small turbocharged cars specified in the rules, and perhaps prepared further than allowed in Stock Category, it may be eligible for one of the Street Touring Classes. Street Touring - S is an SCCA National class, but Street Touring-R is an optional Regional only class. Street Touring allows anything allowed in Stock, plus (roughly) these modifications:

* Any shocks, struts, and springs, using original attachment points
* Any sway bars
* Any wheels up to 7.5" in width that fit over stock brakes
* Tires up to and including a width of 225, with a treadwear rating of 140 or greater.
* Strut bars/braces as allowed in Street Prepared.
* Exhaust system downstream of catalytic converter(s)
* Short throw shift kits
* Spoilers, body kits, rear wings, etc.
* Pedal kits and other interior cosmetic accessories
* Alternate brakes pads and linings
* Any fully padded and upholstered front seats with reclining seat backs
* Removal of factory trim (rub strips, emblems)
* Alternate steering wheels of any diameter, otherwise meeting Stock rules
* Cross drilled and/or slotted brake rotors
* Alternate air cleaner enclosures
* No limited slip differentials except factory viscous coupler type units
* Stock brake calipers/drums
* Fenders may not be cut or flared (but specific modifications for tires OK)
* Emission-legal headers
* Emission legal modifications to Engine management system, either electronic or mehanical, but not both.
* Engine and transmission must remain unmodified, including emissions equipment


Bold part would be the only questionable parts, says "up to" so does that include or not include 7.5, also spoiler doesnt help in this event, but this is the main one now that i read it im worried about.

But anyways Impreza sorry about snapping. I was bitter because i felt i did awful in that event. Also i feel things like this should be handled in private, if some makes a mistake its just ganna make that someone defensive to let EVERYONE know they ****ed up.

 

Stock tires does not mean you have to run the factory installed tires. They just have to be stock size, mounted on stock sized wheels.

Anyways, one shouldnt blame their tires. Auto-x is not something you can just be good at, it takes lots of practice. If it was your first time, who cars about your time. All that really matters is that you had a good time.

 

Wouldn't the 2.5L turbocharged engine bump him up from STS to STU though?

I know that I was bumped up because I had larger front brakes and the drum to disc conversion.

I was running in the same group as Gagan the last two SCCA events and one of the tips he gave me was go ahead and hit a cone. I haven't yet. I almost did. I slide off the course in SF on the 3rd to last turn. Lucky enough not to hit any cones. Anyways... I think you should try to "explore" the limit of your car. More or less trial and error. Yeah. I guess, explore both extremes. Be slow but precise, and then fast and aggressive, and then move toward a balance of the two. That's what I am doing.

 

Here's the link to the D Stock listing on the SFR SCCA page:

http://moutons.org/sccasolo/Lists/2006/stockc.html#DS

 

What did i place anyways? If after all this fighting i find out that i am D-stock?

 

"Any type wheel may be used provided it complies with the
following: it is the same width and diameter as standard, and as
installed (including wheel spacers if applicable) it does not have an
offset more than +/- 0.25 inch from a standard wheel for the car.
The resultant change in track dimensions is allowed."

This is the rule for the stock class. I think your stock wheels were 17x7... so that would bump you out of D-stock.

 

I got a 48.2xx

 

hah this is like highschool drama cos i placed.....

In reality, the fact that i had different rims, and an unfunctional spoiler (dont tell me the spoiler is going to make me go faster at like 40mph) doesnt change the performance or ability of the car. If you wanna sit and cry about the rims being a little wider *which if anything HURT my performance* then sure, i gues s im STX or STU or STS or whatever. As SCCA posted for 2006 (my WRX is a 2006), it says im D-stock. If i placed as mentioned great, i had fun driving and thats what counts. I think this is turning into a highschool "you placed with your car so im going to insult you to make myself feel better" thread.

I still believe that if you want to bring up someones mistakes to do it in private, i know for myself that i recieve and accept information better if its not being thrown in my face. But yeh, End Thread TIA - No more about this.

I didnt get any prize, i didnt get any trophy, it is just a stupid event, let all stop crying?

PS. Even when i asked the TECH people at the tech check if i was in the right class they said i was fine. If there was an issue the person running it would have said something to me.

 

heh sounds like someone maybe got bumped out of a place if you did place. **** i didnt think you placed anyhow.. if you did woohoo

I agree with debbid when your new at this just have fun!!

 

Rule is rule.
If you have wider rim than stock, that bumps you out of DS.
If you are 2.5L turbo, that puts you in STU.
If you are 2.0L turbo, that puts you in STX.

It's that simple. No one cares if your mod help you go 10 seconds quicker or slower. That's why people study the rule book and build their car for a class that they want to compete in.

 

Dude... no one is flaming you. We are just trying to help you classify yourself. It isn't easy... You think you got it bad... you should see where I am standing.

At my first SCCA autocross event, Gagan and xtremeyolks' dad were talking about how to classify me. Wasn't exactly an easy thing to do.

I got things here and there, but nothing really great. Heavily modified for an L, but pretty much pushing running about the same as a stock 2.5RS. Probably a little under that. I think Gagan and xtremeyolks' dad had pity on me and classed me with STX because they knew I would be totally massacred by the other classes I was suppose to be in. I talked to someone and he said that I would probably have been in F-prepped or Street Mod or something.

 

Haha.... It looks like you can't see over the wheel. If it makes you feel better... I can't see over the wheel either. Must be a Vietnamese thing.

 

Dude, don't hype up drama when it wasn't suppose to be in this thread at the beginning. And people wonder why I don't post often in I-club's BAIC.

So the way SCCA classification (what NorcalUFO and NASA-X use now) works is if you supercede one class, then you have to be bumped up to the next class. So because having 7.5" wheels supercede the stock wheels of 7.0", the car must be bumped to the next class of STU.

The reason for the STU placement is simply due to the engine size. STX dictates up to 2.0 L for turbocharged engines. STU dictates up to 2.5 L for turbocharged engines.

2002 to 2005MY WRX: DS->STX (STU)->ESP->SM->Prepared (not the same as Street Prepared) or Modified (not the same as Street Modified)
2006 to 2007MY WRX: DS->STU->ESP->SM->Prepared (not the same as Street Prepared) or Modified (not the same as Street Modified)

A 2.0 L WRX can be placed in STU if it supercedes a STX rule that doesn't supercede a STU rule. For instance, a 2.0 L WRX with wheels wider than 8.0" but the rest of the car is STX legal will be placed in STU.

Because of these jumps with no gaps, many people often whine about the SCCA classification and prefer the old NASA-X system where a mod is worth however many points. For instance, tires are 1 point, wheels up to a certain size is 1 point, and etc. Then you tally your points and then get classed. The problem with the point system is some mods cover a major deficiency for a car that will allow that one car to dominate over other cars of the same point level. It's just hard to please everyone.

Again, I only brought up the classification issue as a heads-up. Some people in SCCA are really ****. I remember at one of the nationals, a 2nd place person in one of the stock classes protested so much about the 1st place person because he couldn't believe the gap and that he lost. So due to the protest, the 1st place person's car had an engine tear-down. Ironically, not only was the engine completely stock according to the stock rules, but the person was down on compression for one of the cylinders. The 2nd place person wound up having to pay for the teardown and the engine rebuild. However, it's still a pain in the butt for the 1st place person.

The last issue to resolve, I got 59.3 seconds. Horrible time as I understeered badly (oversped turning in) at the last corner of the 1st timed lap and the S-turn during the 2nd time lap. I'm not bringing up an issue because I got beaten and am a sore loser (never expected to win anything as a saw a VW R32 with Kumho V710 slicks and koni shocks for DS).

For more information read this thread as it's Subaru specific:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174189

JEEBUS, that is fast. Were you the DSP 2.5RS? Anything 50 secs and lower is rather quick for Duel at De Anza 2007's course.

 

I think it'll be awhile before I get anywhere near competitive in STX. At SF, I was like 5-10 seconds behind the slowest car in the regular STX section. In Oakland, it was like 5-7 seconds. Really looking forward to improving...

and some suspension and some wider rubber.