Another Steven's Creek Subaru hater for life...
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Car Info: 2004 wrx wagon,07 gsxr 600, 09 GSXR 750
There's no problem with any shop charging money for diagnostic time; you have a problem, we have the expertise to solve it, you pay us for our our time/expertise.
That being said, there's no reason to pay for a mis-diagnose.
If your car has a DTC present, a competent tech will follow Subaru's diag flow chart until the root cause is found. If no root cause is found, you don't pay.
Pretty ****ing simple, if you ask me.
That being said, there's no reason to pay for a mis-diagnose.
If your car has a DTC present, a competent tech will follow Subaru's diag flow chart until the root cause is found. If no root cause is found, you don't pay.
Pretty ****ing simple, if you ask me.
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From: Knee deep in beer. subabrew crew, ca.
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There's no problem with any shop charging money for diagnostic time; you have a problem, we have the expertise to solve it, you pay us for our our time/expertise.
That being said, there's no reason to pay for a mis-diagnose.
If your car has a DTC present, a competent tech will follow Subaru's diag flow chart until the root cause is found. If no root cause is found, you don't pay.
Pretty ****ing simple, if you ask me.
That being said, there's no reason to pay for a mis-diagnose.
If your car has a DTC present, a competent tech will follow Subaru's diag flow chart until the root cause is found. If no root cause is found, you don't pay.
Pretty ****ing simple, if you ask me.
Unless it is a waranty work, there is no reason to pass on our local suby shops. Some argue they are far away and so on, but these shops do superior job than others.
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if you have an aftermarket downpipe without cats, thats more than likely the cause for the codes. You exhaust gasses are passing by your second o2 sensor and throwing the code because your exhaust has not been "cleaned" due to yo removing the cats. I had this same problem for months. If you have an accesport, just delete the codes using the access tuner race software, if your not comfortable with that, call FLI imports, they sell a mod that you put on the end of your o2 sensor that acts as a booster seat, and moves it out of the direct from of exhaust gasses so it is not sensed. lmk if this helps
I drive almost an hour each way to LIC to get my oil changed or any other work done by them and Id gladly drive more if I had to. cant beat there service.
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There's no problem with any shop charging money for diagnostic time; you have a problem, we have the expertise to solve it, you pay us for our our time/expertise.
That being said, there's no reason to pay for a mis-diagnose.
If your car has a DTC present, a competent tech will follow Subaru's diag flow chart until the root cause is found. If no root cause is found, you don't pay.
Pretty ****ing simple, if you ask me.
That being said, there's no reason to pay for a mis-diagnose.
If your car has a DTC present, a competent tech will follow Subaru's diag flow chart until the root cause is found. If no root cause is found, you don't pay.
Pretty ****ing simple, if you ask me.
and that's what I asked for, the flow chart and how far they progressed before they simply gave up.
and that's all the Capitol advisor stated, no root cause found, I don't pay... seems like a no-brainer to me if I'm paying for the expertise.
Only if Roseville wasn't so damn far from me...
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Sorry but that's insane. I'm all about supporting my vendors but... damn.
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if you have an aftermarket downpipe without cats, thats more than likely the cause for the codes. You exhaust gasses are passing by your second o2 sensor and throwing the code because your exhaust has not been "cleaned" due to yo removing the cats. I had this same problem for months. If you have an accesport, just delete the codes using the access tuner race software, if your not comfortable with that, call FLI imports, they sell a mod that you put on the end of your o2 sensor that acts as a booster seat, and moves it out of the direct from of exhaust gasses so it is not sensed. lmk if this helps
will deleting the codes cause any future smog issue? Can I still smog without them? Why wouldn't everyone simply delete these codes?
maybe it's just something with the o2 sensor itself? i'm not sure though, because it was quite a while after having the dp that the codes came up. maybe exhaust leak?
It wasn't like the codes came up after changes, the seemed to just come out of 'left field' so to speak.
Last edited by NorCalPaintball; Oct 13, 2011 at 03:24 PM.
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Do all these shops have the appopriate smoker and what would average cost be there for full diagnosis and fix?
I really just don't have all the time, but I agree I should never go to any stealership for anything.
My idea was to just get the diagnosis, and have someone else do the actual fix... or just do it myself depending on what was found.
At this point, I just want the problem identified and fixed in a reasonable amount of time, for a reasonable cost, from someone I can trust. I almost literally do not trust anyone anymore.
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my dp is catted, but thanks for the input!
will deleting the codes cause any future smog issue? Can I still smog without them? Why wouldn't everyone simply delete these codes?
maybe it's just something with the o2 sensor itself? i'm not sure though, because it was quite a while after having the dp that the codes came up. maybe exhaust leak?
It wasn't like the codes came up after changes, the seemed to just come out of 'left field' so to speak.
will deleting the codes cause any future smog issue? Can I still smog without them? Why wouldn't everyone simply delete these codes?
maybe it's just something with the o2 sensor itself? i'm not sure though, because it was quite a while after having the dp that the codes came up. maybe exhaust leak?
It wasn't like the codes came up after changes, the seemed to just come out of 'left field' so to speak.
Some smog shops won't pass you if you have a CEL showing so you're better off clearing them.
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As I stated earlier this code does not affect performance so Its kind of un needed. Call an AP tuner like Mike at GST and see if this is a code he can permanently delete.
This solves your problem, but doesnt fix the reason it is happening.
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if you have an aftermarket downpipe without cats, thats more than likely the cause for the codes. You exhaust gasses are passing by your second o2 sensor and throwing the code because your exhaust has not been "cleaned" due to yo removing the cats. I had this same problem for months. If you have an accesport, just delete the codes using the access tuner race software, if your not comfortable with that, call FLI imports, they sell a mod that you put on the end of your o2 sensor that acts as a booster seat, and moves it out of the direct from of exhaust gasses so it is not sensed. lmk if this helps
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I know this is somewhat unrelated, but I recently had a great experience with Kevin over at Carlsen Subaru in Redwood City. My car was throwing up a CEL and was leaking oil from the driver's side and is still under the 3 year/36k warranty. Were able to diagnose and fix the problem before noon on the day it was worked on and even paid for my rental car. One of the repairs questionably outside of the warranty, but Kevin said he would take care of me and complete all of the repairs under the warranty. Very nice and friendly over there at Carlsen... would definitely bring it back if I need to get any other warranty work done there!