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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 09:59 PM
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I thought some of you guys might be interested in taking a look at this lab i did for my physics class. I wrote it all out so that it should only take common knowledge/minor physics skills to understand. basically what i did was calculate the efficiency of my engine per say, so like how much of the potential energy from the gasoline actually turns in to like kenetic energy. I did trials at 50mph in 3rd and 4th gear, using my accessport for the data logging. i only uploaded the calculations pages. if for what ever reason you are interested in seeing the error analysis or w,e let me know ill send it to you.

here are the results in case you dont care to read through the calculations

3rd gear efficiency: 16.4524%
4th gear efficiency: 24.77%









Old Jan 2, 2009 | 10:16 PM
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Allways upshift or always upshift?

Cool lab project but Im guessing the results would be different if you had used a STi 6MT as the test subject?
Old Jan 2, 2009 | 10:50 PM
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lol cool project
Old Jan 2, 2009 | 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by c32c7
Allways upshift or always upshift?

Cool lab project but Im guessing the results would be different if you had used a STi 6MT as the test subject?
you in law enforment or ems?? code 3 to code 7
Old Jan 2, 2009 | 11:33 PM
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At a given speed Lower Revs = Less gas burning...

(i.e. what his project proved)


Cool project...



If you think Up-shifting is fun, you should try Down-shifting

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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by JourdanWithaU
Lower Revs = Less gas burning...
Lugging the engine in the lower rpms around in a high gear is not good for the engine...

I think if you really want to save gas just be aware on how fast you accelerate from light to light.

Cool project though my math skills are about equivalent to a 3rd grader.
Old Jan 3, 2009 | 12:04 AM
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no lugging too place
50mph in 3rd ==> ~3700RPM
50mph in 4th ==> ~2550RPM
Old Jan 3, 2009 | 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 03_Impreza_Al
Lugging the engine in the lower rpms around in a high gear is not good for the engine...

I think if you really want to save gas just be aware on how fast you accelerate from light to light.

Cool project though my math skills are about equivalent to a 3rd grader.
low RPMs within reason... I'm not talking about rolling around town in 5th going 10mph... I'm not that retarded.
Old Jan 3, 2009 | 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by JourdanWithaU
Lower Revs = Less gas burning...

Cool project though...

If you think Up-shifting is fun, you should try Down-shifting
low revs in 4th=more gas used per mile than low revs in 5th

that might be what the lab says, I dunno, I didn't read it
Old Jan 3, 2009 | 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by VRT MBasile
low revs in 4th=more gas used per mile than low revs in 5th

that might be what the lab says, I dunno, I didn't read it
at a given speed... if you go 50 mph in 4th the revs will be higher than if you are going 50 mph in 5th... with the lower RPMs in 5th... less gas is consumed.
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did you account for gear ratios?
Old Jan 3, 2009 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by c32c7
Allways upshift or always upshift?

Cool lab project but Im guessing the results would be different if you had used a STi 6MT as the test subject?
this aint english class enjuneers are talking here


is this flat land or down hill

i want to see up hill

boost vs RPMs


i did engish in college so i have no clue
Old Jan 3, 2009 | 10:06 AM
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What was the value you used for fuel density?
What's the BSFC of your engine?
Old Jan 3, 2009 | 10:33 AM
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its in the lab... i used .73 Kg/L for the density of the fuel. i think you might be asking about the latent heat, in that case it was 4.6 x 10^7 J/Kg

as for BSFC, there is no BSFC function on the accessport. i havent really used the horsepower function on the accessport, nor have i dyno tested my car, so i have no way of knowing what my HP is at the 2 rpms that i tested in, but interesting idea
Old Jan 3, 2009 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Daios
did you account for gear ratios?
if im understanding you correctly, then no
that was kind of the point; to show how much more energy is lost to drive line friction, and heat energy into the engine and what not.
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