Since many of you were shamelessly abusing it, I removed it. No more post count in any reginal or misc forums. Only tech posts count. Do not abuse that as well, as I will just remove it all along. I know some of you will be upset because of it, but in all honesty, I really wanna keep the tech-2-noise ratio high here. No need for other "OT Impreza Club". ;)

smart move alex :thumbs up:

on NASIOC I'm a Specialist, here I'm a Senior Member. Now I'm probably a n00b. Not a lot of incentive to post in the "technical" forums. Check them if you want, I was making an honest attempt to educate people.

San

Replied to you in HI forum.

Why is Lurker under my name? I had nearly 1000 posts before your new policy. I was not a postwhore. Since the I-Club Nasioc split, most of the technical info has been on Nasico. Or I-Club Hawaii forum. WTF?

San

I am still fixing that. Calm down.

great move. hopefully the tech forums will come alive again with important info.
:D

i think it's a step in the right direction! I believe that the complaining/hostility is due to the holiday season and new member traffic. You haven't had to deal with a great number of people a year ago today and i think it's starting to show a bit.

With extra moderators and Regional post counts lost i think we'll see a lot better quality posting and a little less bickering in the regional forums...not too much less but an improvment.

eric.

EDIT: i just noticed the post count and believe that this could backfire Alex. The bottom line is that people want an Avatar! i could really care less about an icon but it's the truth! Whether or not they admit it is on their shoulders but it gives them something to be recognized with.
I believe that something has to give in this situation. The fact that the avatar post count is still 555 is going to encourage meaningless posts (because a lot of people >100 posts) in the tech forums still and people may not be getting the quality info they need! i know im not running the show and i truly think i-club is the best forum around but i'd either lower the post count for the avatar considerably, get rid of avatars all together, or just enable the avatars for senior members etc and see what happens. test the waters a little and see how things unfold. then get the moderators input on how smoothly the shows running. Hell, im on i-club half the day at work and at home... i could give you feed back and help if you'd like...i'd be happy to put my money where my mouth is.

I've only been in this forum for about 7 months or so but all the trouble started when avatars were enabled.

eric. nonetheless, that's my view on the whole spectrum... i believe this was a good step.:)

Post whoring used to be down to a minimum in the tech forums. How many people have to say "Keep your airbox, don't get the CAI" in one thread? Across 20 similar threads? Well now that post count can't be raise in BAIC (et al), say buh-bye to quality in the tech forums. Sigh. You can already see it... and it was already faltering.

You get better responses from people through appealing to peoples' points of view than trying to corrall their behavior. The problem is, there's not a lot of intersection between I-Club and MENSA :D

Let nothing be based upon post count... suddenly the post whoring problem goes away. And, only people who actually care will post. That's what you want anyway, isn't it, Alex, Daniel, etc...? You can't have it both ways. The combo of postcounts and stupid people created this problem. Unless you want to censure stupid people (a la The Other Forum), then just remove the post counts. People who participate by contributing technically and even contributing in helpful ways in the locale forums, let alone people who organize and even show up consistently to events, they stand out without the need of a postcount. Give them the kudos.

jason

Good point.

Like I said, I am still "tuning" all this so it is not final yet.

jason for mod of tech forums! hhahha
the tech forums...i dont know, theres just something about the posts that seem the same.
but more importantly jason for mod. :D
j/k

Just for an example here's another forum i belong too and it goes off without a hitch! very well maintained and stupid people, comments etc WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.

This is just for reference Alex.

Yes this is a military forum and these guys are very harsh but it still applies to i-club. They have avatars turned on for everyone, post counts enabled for certain forums (like you've done) and a seperate set of rules for each seperate forum that the MODs regulate very well.


http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/index.php?s=

Rules:

http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28684

http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/announcement.php?s=&forumid=37

http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21920



eric <-BTDT

:)

maybe member status and avatars should be based on how LONG someone has been an active member?

So basicly now I have to postwhore in every other forum section in order to make up for the loss of all my legitimate posts in the bay area section. I think I'm finally getting the hang of this intarweb thing.

why is the post count so valuable to everyone? when i read things i don't look at how many posts they have but the words that are on the screen. most times people can see if the person has any knowledge by the things he/she says or if they are pulling things out of their butt to try and look smart. hopefully the newbies don't look at post count as an indicator of expertise and trust the first person that responds with a high post count. they should be reading and searching and then reading again.

Originally posted by brento
why is the post count so valuable to everyone? when i read things i don't look at how many posts they have but the words that are on the screen. most times people can see if the person has any knowledge by the things he/she says or if they are pulling things out of their butt to try and look smart. hopefully the newbies don't look at post count as an indicator of expertise and trust the first person that responds with a high post count. they should be reading and searching and then reading again.

i agree with you. Unfortunately, not everyone thinks that way. Some people do see a post count and think that person must know what he/she is talking about. That leads to another interesting point....reputable posters. Most people that've been here know who gives good info. However, Joe Blow n00b could walk in and ask a question in the tech forum and will be fed a handful of useless **** because everyone will postwhore the tech forums. So how does he know which info is good and which is bad? he won't!

You either have all or none! you can't pick and choose what you want in a cardhouse or else it will colapse. Instead you either A)disable everything and make everyone equal with no post counts, special titles, avatars etc. Or B)enable avatars for ACTIVE MEMBERS that support i-club based on member time, meetings/events, business and sticking a 'i-club' decal on their car(s), enabling post counts for those that think it makes them more reputable, and leave everything else alone. Don't give anyone special treatment... change is bad for this type of thing. And one more thing: moderators are there to supervise, not throw in there .02 IMO. that's why they 'moderate' they aren't called 'opinionators' :)


This is just really petty IMHO. as far as im concerned this forum has way too much politics and isn't any better than nasioc.

eric.

75% of complaints about this would be eliminated if the avatar post limit was done away with.

^^^
i agree. avators are fun, but it seemed to stur up too much crap between everyone.
:D

As a suggestion, I was thinking of a nice comprimise. Perhaps you've already thought of it and deemed it unfeasable. But I'll tell you anyways, just in case.

Perhaps we should have two statuses; one for technical involvment and one for community involvment. If someone (like me for example) has 22 technical posts and 70+ BAIC posts, I could be a "tech lurker" and a "community member". Or if you only wanted to display one status, you could even just choose the higher status of the two. So, instead of a tech lurker (cause I don't reply much in the tech forums) I could be a community member.

This way it shows both sides of i-club. The tech side, and the community side. Those who post more in the technical forum get recognized for answering lots of technical questions, and those who are in it for the community also get recognized for their contribuition.

Just a thought.

Originally posted by RussB
maybe member status and avatars should be based on how LONG someone has been an active member?
doesnt seem like a bad idea except many of the longest members arent active...maybe eliminate avatars all together? ill miss mine but it may (or may not) be for the better

Keep the comments coming. I am listening and will take all that into the consideration.

Only reason I ever venture over to nasioc is for Tech info, whatever you can do to get people involved in the tech forums and spreading around good info is for the betterment of the club. The only problem is the post whores just whoring it up over in the tech forums.

Having some kind of reward for posting in the tech forums is good, once someone reaches whatever amount of posts, they should get some reward, avatar, title, whatever, but you or other mods should look over the users posts at that point to see if they were actually an assest or just whored it up in order to get said reward.

to the "cheers and enjoy" guys :monkey: Thanks for screwing up a good thing.

i have learned a lot of "techie" stuff since i joined this club...i think the most valuable thing in this forum is not just the tech specs....but corny as it may sound... it is the FELLOWSHIP of fellow imprezers...sure getting tips on making my car better is good... but its the fact of dealing with real people who actually believe in what they post...having a hawaii forum makes it all the sweeter because we can actually interact....seriously who cares about a post count but putting titles(mine is gone...yahoo!) on members names without prior warning or reason can be discouraging.(i know...sob sob) but whats nice is that this club is growing... every single customer that even thinks of buying a wrx... i tell 'bout i-club.(whats up p. costelo!! in kalihi!):banana:

Originally posted by ScoobyBoy
^^^
i agree. avators are fun, but it seemed to stur up too much crap between everyone.
:D

I think its more that it was used as an excuse to stir up crap. I.e. one particular member, when I was recently in a "heated discussion" (using the term lightly) on BAIC, AIM'd me and basically said, "Don't take it seriously, I just post ish to people sometimes cuz I want my avatar".

:rolleyes:

jason

i dont know if its been said yet alex, but i say give avatars to mods only and do away with post counts.

Post count should definatly stay, and I am not saying thing just b/c I have a hihg overall post count.

It is very important when it comes to buying parts and who you want to deal with, when buying parts.

a LOT of people in BAIC have under 50 posts in the tech forums, but have well over 500 total posts. Post count is an important factor when buying used parts IN MY OPINION. Sure we have the trader rating and I wish more people would start using it, but that is not the case, people are not using it for EVERY transaction unfortunatly.

-Zoeb

Zoeb, I just noticed that you and your buddies are totally abusing the Trader's Rating feature.

Originally posted by Imprezer
Zoeb, I just noticed that you and your buddies are totally abusing the Trader's Rating feature.

Those are all Legit actually, except for the "dwnshft" one.

-Zoeb

Originally posted by Sisqocqk

You either have all or none! you can't pick and choose what you want in a cardhouse or else it will colapse. Instead you either A)disable everything and make everyone equal with no post counts, special titles, avatars etc. Or Or B)enable avatars for ACTIVE MEMBERS that support i-club based on member time, meetings/events, business and sticking a 'i-club' decal on their car(s), enabling post counts for those that think it makes them more reputable, and leave everything else alone. Don't give anyone special treatment... change is bad for this type of thing. ]And one more thing: moderators are there to supervise, not throw in there .02 IMO. that's why they 'moderate' they aren't called 'opinionators' :)





I had a similar suggestion when i started a topic in the general forums (siscocqk's suggestion is way better than mine:D ) But then a "non-moderator" shoots it down when i told him that one of the"MODERATORS" replies with the exactly (word for word like it was copied and pasted)the same answer as the "non- moderator".It is like some people here could manipulate "MODERATORS".So if they like or they don't like something in the forums they cry and whine to their closest moderator then he takes action right away (with
bias of course)

If you don't mind me calling you alex(Haven't met you personally so it's kind of awkward calling you by your name) I have a suggestion just for you and only you(no moderators) I think you need mods that are fair and unbiased to all because i think you got quite a few that are easily manipulated by some other members here..I posted about the I-club stickers and avatars as a suggestion(i was thinking that the stickers on cars is a good way for people to know about your site(especially in my car cuz it's debaged and that is the only sticking out and the AWD)me personally I don't like putting stickers on my car Heck i even took out my badge..Not being a baby but when one of your moderators said no to my suggestion without even using his own words made me think of taking the sticker off cuz people would check the site thinking it is a good site to hang around(for me it's been good before but not the past few days)Then they see that some "MODS" close these,delete that because some people abuse the "report this post to a moderator" button..But after i read your post regarding the "updating"or"upgrading of the site I'm gonna keep the sticker on till I see the improvements and hopefully the sticker stays on after that....:) just my .02 and to release all these frustration..Hope it comes out for the better...again GOOD LUCK on the improvements on the site..

I agree that this will hurt the teck fourms quite a bit. Maybe even make some people go over to the other boards

Keep up the good work Alex. To make an omlette you gotta break a few eggs.

Alex,

The trader rating for myself is VERY legit. You can even check up on i with the others i dealt with. I try to buy parts and sell other parts that aren't to my likng if they aren't what i expected. I do so in order to pay for the next part(s) i intend on getting. I know that Zoeb can be full of sheit :D but trust me 95% of his trasnsactions were legit....except for the one he mentioned. I have receipts for the parts he got off me still

Eric <----- trying to clear zoeb's name ;)

Originally posted by Sisqocqk


Eric <----- trying to clear zoeb's name ;)
LOL

Originally posted by NZO
75% of complaints about this would be eliminated if the avatar post limit was done away with.
this is true. They would be done away with, either that or get rid of the avatars all together and that would stop the complaints otherwise. Anyway I-Club for life even if i never get a avatar or a custom status for my profile.

Originally posted by NZO
75% of complaints about this would be eliminated if the avatar post limit was done away with.
I agree with you on this one though I belive the way alex is doing it is the best way. By putting a avatar post limit on for tech fourms only he is rewarding people for their insight and their answers to other peoples problems. Also by doing this he is rewarding the people who are most active on the board (though it is a little unfair in some peoples case with the regional fourms post count disabled espec. for people like IS2Scooby) and especally the people who help out the most in the tech fourms. I personally belive that the way it is now (avatars for (contributing members i.e. 555 posts and up) is the best way and how it should have always been. '

Enabling avatars for everyone is also a bad idea. Fourms with avatars everywhere are always VERY cluttered and much harder to look at. By limiting the size and the amount of avatars you are keeping the site looking much more clean and also more professional.

Also, I belive taking avatars away totally is also a bad idea. By doing that you are not rewarding the people who are most active on the board and not giving people incentive to act on the club as a community as a whole. Yes post whoring would be pretty much eliminated but how it is now it is too.
Cheers
-Jeff

sup everyone! i am new here. just wondering. why have regional forums if all you have to talk about is technical stuff? i would think having a regional forum is so that people in the same area can share info and maybe relate possible same local exp.? and if so, why have a tech section?

meets...and help with decisions on exhausts, many times people meet up just for an hour or two to discuss an exhaust that one of them has and the other is thinking of getting, you know to hear the sound, see it in person, stuff like that

Originally posted by Imprezastifan88

Enabling avatars for everyone is also a bad idea. Fourms with avatars everywhere are always VERY cluttered and much harder to look at. By limiting the size and the amount of avatars you are keeping the site looking much more clean and also more professional.


isn't it simple to turn off the viewing of avatars?

ken

Origami posted by ride5000
isn't it simple to turn off the viewing of avatars?
Yes, from the user's Profile > Edit Options page.

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