What do you guys think about Props 5,6, & 9?

 

what are they?

 

Prop 5
NONVIOLENT DRUG OFFENSES. SENTENCING, PAROLE AND REHABILITATION. INITIATIVE STATUTE.

Allocates $460,000,000 annually to improve and expand treatment programs for persons convicted of drug and other offenses.
Limits court authority to incarcerate offenders who commit certain drug crimes, break drug treatment rules or violate parole.
Substantially shortens parole for certain drug offenses; increases parole for serious and violent felonies.
Divides Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation authority between two Secretaries, one with six year fixed term and one serving at pleasure of Governor. Provides five year fixed terms for deputy secretaries.
Creates 19 member board to direct parole and rehabilitation policy.
Summary of Legislative Analyst’s Estimate of Net State and Local Government Fiscal Impact:

Increased state costs over time potentially exceeding $1 billion annually primarily for expanding drug treatment and rehabilitation programs for offenders in state prisons, on parole, and in the community.
State savings over time potentially exceeding $1 billion annually due primarily to reduced prison and parole operating costs.
Net one-time state savings on capital outlay costs for prison facilities that eventually could exceed $2.5 billion.
Unknown net fiscal effect on county operations and capital outlay.

Prop 6
POLICE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT FUNDING.
CRIMINAL PENALTIES AND LAWS. INITIATIVE STATUTE.

Requires minimum of $965,000,000 each year to be allocated from state General Fund for police, sheriffs, district attorneys, adult probation, jails and juvenile probation facilities. Some of this funding will increase in following years according to California Consumer Price Index.
Makes approximately 30 revisions to California criminal law, many of which cover gang-related offenses. Revisions create multiple new crimes and additional penalties, some with the potential for new life sentences.
Increases penalties for violating a gang-related injunction and for felons carrying guns under certain conditions.
Summary of Legislative Analyst’s Estimate of Net State and Local Government Fiscal Impact:

Net increase in state costs that are likely within a few years to exceed $500 million annually, primarily due to increasing state spending for various criminal justice programs to at least $965 million, as well as for increased costs for prison and parole operations. These costs would increase by tens of millions of dollars annually in subsequent years.
Potential one-time state capital outlay costs for prison facilities that could exceed $500 million due to increases in the prison population.

Prop 9
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. VICTIMS’ RIGHTS. PAROLE.
INITIATIVE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT AND STATUTE.

Requires notification to victim and opportunity for input during phases of criminal justice process, including bail, pleas, sentencing and parole.
Establishes victim safety as consideration in determining bail or release on parole.
Increases the number of people permitted to attend and testify on behalf of victims at parole hearings.
Reduces the number of parole hearings to which prisoners are entitled.
Requires that victims receive written notification of their constitutional rights.
Establishes timelines and procedures concerning parole revocation hearings.
Summary of Legislative Analyst’s Estimate of Net State and Local Government Fiscal Impact:

Potential loss of future state savings on prison operations and potential increased county jail operating costs that could collectively amount to hundreds of millions of dollars annually, due to restricting the early release of inmates to reduce facility overcrowding.
Net savings in the low tens of millions of dollars annually for the administration of parole hearings and revocations, unless the changes in parole revocation procedures were found to conflict with federal legal requirements.

All 3 give money to prisons. I go into prisons ALL THE TIME. They're a joke. Ask anyone who has ever been in one and seen how the inmates live, the activities they get to take part in, the EXCELLENT health care they get at facilities like UCSF, UCD, Queen of the Valley, etc. Premier treatments for cancer and diseases. I've taken inmates to receive treatments in the $200,000 range when they have brain tumors and other ailments which are deemed fatal within a short period of time.

These inmates should not be living better off than citizens without felonies.

 

wait are yout alkinga bout prison or jail

white collar crimes???

 

I'm talking about prisons, but these also give money to jails.

 

yes, no, no.

 

I voted no for all three

 

The thing you gusy have tto keep in mind is these all contrdict themselves. SO if you vote yes on one you mat have to vote no on another or you vote against yourself.

Thats how i read it. I may be wrong but thats what i got from it.

Personally i dont give a damn if they have to use the gym or the tennis courts or cafeteria for prisoners to sleep in becuase of over crowding. 5 to a cell for all i care. Maybe they will kill each other off and ease the overcrowding situation on their own.

 

Yes
No
No

Yes, on the one that ends up saving us money

No on the other two, enough $$ goes to support our police state and jail/prison system. If your butt can't do the time, don't do the crime.

 

100% agree!!!

 

I'm basing these decisions solely off of what Medic provided for us.....

Prop 5: NO

Although I'm not a fan of mandatory minimum sentences and prison over population, our resources should be geared towards drug PREVENTION, not drug TREATMENT. Our system shouldn't be apologetic to addicts, our system should better educate it's citizens.

Prop 6: NO

Until they stop uncontrolled spending like providing unchecked per diem to state employees, I'm not supporting an increase in spending on more laws that will not be enforced.

Prop 7: NO

For lack of a better term, this is simply a waist of money that will accomplish nothing for me andisn't a reformation of the prison system.

 

I'm getting very sick of agreeing with you all the time!

 

Me to. I'm not into the state spending ANY money right now. And if it's to be spent, it should be spent on education, not prisons.

 

Great minds think alike

 

Never been accused of that before