View Poll Results: prop 4
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Yes or No on Prop 4?
10-29-2008, 03:41 PM
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Here you go. Life begins at conception... according to science without even looking at life from a religious point of view.
From a Genetic View
Life begins at conception when the sperm and ovum are united.
During fertilization, the genes originating from two sources combine to form a single individual with a different and unique set of genes. This process takes up to 48 hours.
From a Embyrological View
Life begins at gastrulation (14 Days) The point at which a developing embryo forms distinct layers that grow into different organs.
From a Neurological View
Life begins when the brain produces measurable waves between 6-24 weeks.
From an Ecological View
Life begins when the fetus can survive outside the uterus between 25-27 weeks.
From a Birth View
Life begins at birth between 7-9 months.
From a Genetic View
Life begins at conception when the sperm and ovum are united.
During fertilization, the genes originating from two sources combine to form a single individual with a different and unique set of genes. This process takes up to 48 hours.
From a Embyrological View
Life begins at gastrulation (14 Days) The point at which a developing embryo forms distinct layers that grow into different organs.
From a Neurological View
Life begins when the brain produces measurable waves between 6-24 weeks.
From an Ecological View
Life begins when the fetus can survive outside the uterus between 25-27 weeks.
From a Birth View
Life begins at birth between 7-9 months.
10-29-2008, 03:42 PM
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are you going to go down and adopt that child once that 15 year old gives the child away for adoption??? are you going to help that child through years in a home because hes not adopted Medic? I love how you say a 13 year old cant make a decision on abortion but you want to stick that same 13 year old with a child to take care of ! if they arent smart enough to make the right decision for herself... now shes gonna make decisions for TWO human lifes ?
Wheres the boy in this role??? im still trying to figure out where the boy plays the role here Medic??? are we going to force him to spend the night with the girl so HE CAN HELP TAKE CARE OF THIS CHILD??? force him to watchin him so SHE CAN DO HER HOMEWORK???? wheres the taking responsability for the male ??? And i know your gonna say he should be taking care of the baby as well... but you and i both know theres A HUGE AMOUNT OF UNDERAGE SINGLE MOMS OUT THERE.... please please help me out to understand the males role
Wheres the boy in this role??? im still trying to figure out where the boy plays the role here Medic??? are we going to force him to spend the night with the girl so HE CAN HELP TAKE CARE OF THIS CHILD??? force him to watchin him so SHE CAN DO HER HOMEWORK???? wheres the taking responsability for the male ??? And i know your gonna say he should be taking care of the baby as well... but you and i both know theres A HUGE AMOUNT OF UNDERAGE SINGLE MOMS OUT THERE.... please please help me out to understand the males role
10-29-2008, 03:46 PM
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Better yet, give me a situation in which it is better for society as a whole to use excuses than have accountability?
10-29-2008, 03:53 PM
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are you going to go down and adopt that child once that 15 year old gives the child away for adoption??? are you going to help that child through years in a home because hes not adopted Medic? I love how you say a 13 year old cant make a decision on abortion but you want to stick that same 13 year old with a child to take care of ! if they arent smart enough to make the right decision for herself... now shes gonna make decisions for TWO human lifes ?
Wheres the boy in this role??? im still trying to figure out where the boy plays the role here Medic??? are we going to force him to spend the night with the girl so HE CAN HELP TAKE CARE OF THIS CHILD??? force him to watchin him so SHE CAN DO HER HOMEWORK???? wheres the taking responsability for the male ??? And i know your gonna say he should be taking care of the baby as well... but you and i both know theres A HUGE AMOUNT OF UNDERAGE SINGLE MOMS OUT THERE.... please please help me out to understand the males role
Wheres the boy in this role??? im still trying to figure out where the boy plays the role here Medic??? are we going to force him to spend the night with the girl so HE CAN HELP TAKE CARE OF THIS CHILD??? force him to watchin him so SHE CAN DO HER HOMEWORK???? wheres the taking responsability for the male ??? And i know your gonna say he should be taking care of the baby as well... but you and i both know theres A HUGE AMOUNT OF UNDERAGE SINGLE MOMS OUT THERE.... please please help me out to understand the males role
That's like saying a kid that commits murder and gets a life sentence gets a free pass because the life in prison would ruin their life.
Tuff luck. Premarital sex is like Russian Roulette. Shouldn't play if you're not willing to lose.
10-29-2008, 03:56 PM
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Which citizen do you think is going to cost more? One with a strong work ethic and sense of accountability and responsibility to take care of themselves or one that never learned those values and takes blame for nothing? Therefore instilling a huge character flaw and poor ethics in our youth and then paying tons more welfare?
10-29-2008, 03:57 PM
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I know. I've spent hours with my friends that have had abortions and or miscarriages. They've cried for hours and some have told me that they truly feel responsible for murder.
It's extremely difficult to cope with, especially when we are on scene and have to scoop the fetus up out of the toilet and put it in a bag and bring it to the hospital.
It's a burden that women should never bare. The emotional effect abortion has is outrageous.
It's extremely difficult to cope with, especially when we are on scene and have to scoop the fetus up out of the toilet and put it in a bag and bring it to the hospital.
It's a burden that women should never bare. The emotional effect abortion has is outrageous.
10-29-2008, 04:00 PM
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Answer my question about accountability vs excuses please. Why are you against Prop 4? Is it because you don't want teens to become "complete dirtbags and leach off of friends, family, and welfare" or because you believe a 13 year old has the ability to make a choice that is in their best interest?
10-29-2008, 04:01 PM
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10-29-2008, 04:03 PM
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I'm all for the man (boy in this case) being completely responsible for the baby as well.
That's like saying a kid that commits murder and gets a life sentence gets a free pass because the life in prison would ruin their life.
Tuff luck. Premarital sex is like Russian Roulette. Shouldn't play if you're not willing to lose.
That's like saying a kid that commits murder and gets a life sentence gets a free pass because the life in prison would ruin their life.
Tuff luck. Premarital sex is like Russian Roulette. Shouldn't play if you're not willing to lose.
10-29-2008, 04:03 PM
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Please clarify what your are trying to say here, "And parenting a child doesn't mean you "lose" and what it is in response to.