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Old May 21, 2008 | 03:38 PM
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Blame on environmental laws that's been out of date. It was made over 30 years ago because outdated refining technology created bad polution and environmental impacts the US government stop handing out permits for new refineries. If the refineries had grew with the gas demands our gas prices might be lower. But oil prices will still be high and that, according to oil companies, will drive up gas prices. Basically, they have us by the *****...
I see this as a ploy "according to oil companies, will drive up gas prices"
competition has always brought prices down. problem is we arent competing in the oil market. im suggesting we start drilling now and fast really fast.. you can say drilling is not the answer and alternate energy is but.. were hurting now and its not like we can start using an alternate source tomorrow.
Old May 21, 2008 | 03:48 PM
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[QUOTE=slow04wrx;2209227]Nuclear power baby, anybody against it is against the longevity of the US....................I'm sortuv a hippie, but stupid so called environmentalists have stopped it fromm growing.[/QUOTE

ah yes nuclear energy clean, safe, and long lasting.. France has already taken advantage of nuclear power we should do the same
Old May 21, 2008 | 04:27 PM
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i wish our cars ran on nuke power.

blah blah i know why, saftery terrorism whatever. but all of that aside tiny nuke reactors inside of cars=no emissions= tons of power= fuel sorce for a very long time.

god forbid someone were to get in an accident though. but that why we make little capsuals to contain even if there is a huge accident. it would be a great idea even though its not possible.
Give it a couple years.



But seriously, I usually consider myself a bit of an environmentalist, but Im sure by now we could figure out a safe and responsible way to get oil out of Alaska without harming the environment,
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i recently heard the last time an oil refinery was built domestically was 30 years ago.

why the 30 year gap and no new drilling/oil refinery?


The same reason the US doesn't have Nuclear Power... Hippies, Tree hugging alarmists, and "not in my back yarders"..

why build and import millions and millions of cars without a sufficient fuel source?
See above, and add government intervention by leftist politicos that listen to the above..



would gas prices be different if we had continued to "Drill" and build refinaries?
Most definitely. If we continued to drill and refine oil, we could control prices. If we had nuclear power, we would not need fossil fuels for electricity. Instead we have to kiss the asses of countries who's main exports are Oil, jihad, and very rich ignorant *******s..


who is responsible for this disaster?
Hippies.. for crying about continued drilling, and an irrational fear of Nuclear Power..
Ignorant fence sitters for jumping on the bandwagon without researching issues.
Politicos seeing the above and looking for easy votes.
The rest of us for not handing Joints and Guitars laced with poison laced with cycanide. or at the very least punching those hippies and telling them to go **** up a rope.


a few questions we should get floating around maybe someone here knows someone in office.. this is soo retarded someone needs to be held liable for the current situation were in.
Someone needed to be held liable 30 years ago.
The only thing to do now is begin construction of Nuclear power plants, and oil rigs. As well begin serious research for alternate fuels.
Though I am normally not for the allocation of Tax payer funds for these kind of things, I would be willing to spend it for this..
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I have to think that speculators and commodity investment institutions have to take a lot of the blame, I mean its clear that if you could have invested 120 billion in oil a couple weeks ago you would have made 13 billion free and clear by today...without operating a drill or even turning on a switch.

- and there is nothing anywhere to prevent just that from happening, as much as I favor free market solutions, commodity markets need strict regulation in order for competition to take place.

Now if we actually had a free market and competition, suppliers could easily realize increased profits from reducing prices, while increasing production and market share, but with a captive and manipulated market, why bother? Just raise your prices along with your other big oil buddies and laugh all the way to the bank.

The oil companies surely deserve some of the blame as well, 40 billion in profits from the big 5 in the first three months of this year simply could not have taken place if there was any sort of free market.

I have no problem with people actually earning money, even really good money- provided they are actually contributing to society, but stealing it from the general populous like we are experiencing on so many fronts with banks, money managers, and institutional investors "gone wild" is just plain criminal.

But since all the government is in bed with them, I don't see much hope for a turnaround anytime soon.

Here is some good reading for people who are interested in the true background of the "crisis" and aren't satisfied by blaming "hippies" for all of the world's woes;

http://www.reformation.org/energy-non-crisis.html

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But since all the government is in bed with them, I don't see much hope for a turnaround anytime soon.


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Old May 21, 2008 | 05:15 PM
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Old May 21, 2008 | 05:24 PM
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oil becomes more in demend because of growing number of modernizing countries like china and india. we havnt built any new refinaries but the existing ones have been expanded for more capabilities.

we can build new refinaries and and drill into new oil dumps but it wont really help whats going on now, it may help in the future but even so, not by much...there is just that much demend.

who knows, it may not be a simple suppy and demend, maybe someone is pulling the strings to make some money because we deplete our oil.
we'll never know until 50 years later when the truth is uncovered and someone makes a documentry about it.
Old May 21, 2008 | 06:45 PM
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oil becomes more in demend because of growing number of modernizing countries like china and india. we havnt built any new refinaries but the existing ones have been expanded for more capabilities.

we can build new refinaries and and drill into new oil dumps but it wont really help whats going on now, it may help in the future but even so, not by much...there is just that much demend.

who knows, it may not be a simple suppy and demend, maybe someone is pulling the strings to make some money because we deplete our oil.
we'll never know until 50 years later when the truth is uncovered and someone makes a documentry about it.
yes, the demand is that great i believe mostly from the developing nations like china and india at least here we have emission standards which help to maximize mpg not sure if china, india, and other nations do.

who really knows the shortage could be simple as "supply and demand" I on the other hand rather not just sit around and wait 50 years to see what it was all about. if we haven't drilled for oil.. how could we possibly even have attempted to keep up with the increasing demand. looks like we've got some catching up to do.

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Why compete with foreign oil?
Old May 21, 2008 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Tdub
Why compete with foreign oil?
well not really compete against foreign oil suppliers like in sales but why were so dependent on foreign oil.

as oil becomes more and more in demand worldwide other nations could possibly buy out our suppliers. leaving us with nothing which spells disaster

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Old May 21, 2008 | 07:05 PM
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Why compete with foreign oil?
uh, so we dont have to kiss their asses??
Old May 21, 2008 | 07:12 PM
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uh, so we dont have to kiss their asses??
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