The Tibet issue
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The Tibet issue
lately, there has been a lot of issue on the place called Tibet. many of you guys never even heard of Tibet, because Tibet is not a country, its a Proviance in China, just like Quebec to Canada.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xsoc4-QnplY
Here is a youtube film Chris Nebe had made talks about some history of Tibet and China from 3rd person point of view.
there is a guy name Dali Lama, he is a religious "leader" and been living out side of China for decades. why?
before 1949 (The people's republic of china was formed) Tibet was ruled and run by the slave owners. and Dali Lama is one of them. his family own slaves. until the China government formed the country and stopped this slave act, most of the rich slave owners left China went out to other countries. the slaves were freed from the slave owners.
for those people who support Dali lama and free Tibet, means you support them to own slaves, because thats Dali Lama, and those tibetian who is out here today. the Tibet people in china were freed from Dali lama.
here is a great video to show that Tibet has been part of china.
if Tibet should be free, then England, Scotland, Ireland should also be free. its just different ethnicity, and china has 56 of them. why only free the tibetian? and not the other 55? BECAUSE you guys only heard that Tibet wants to be free! so don't be a bandwagon, learn your facts and history before do so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQnK...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9QNKB34cJo&
and here is a video shows that those protesters don't even know where is Tibet, and just support them because they want to be free. which is STUPID.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=twHzXN3kNTs
Even if you still wants to support to free Tibet, don't you think it should be done in a peaceful way? and not grab the Olympic torch and try to ruin the world sport? because trying to mess up a world event is terrorist act.
Here is a great website shows how the western media misleading the truth of Tibet issue.
http://www.anti-cnn.com/
What does terrorist do? burn cars? burn stores? and this is what those Dali Lama's people been doing in china.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4Z_prFMROC8 <---part 1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MiVunJBIGoM&feature=related <---part 2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xsoc4-QnplY
Here is a youtube film Chris Nebe had made talks about some history of Tibet and China from 3rd person point of view.
there is a guy name Dali Lama, he is a religious "leader" and been living out side of China for decades. why?
before 1949 (The people's republic of china was formed) Tibet was ruled and run by the slave owners. and Dali Lama is one of them. his family own slaves. until the China government formed the country and stopped this slave act, most of the rich slave owners left China went out to other countries. the slaves were freed from the slave owners.
for those people who support Dali lama and free Tibet, means you support them to own slaves, because thats Dali Lama, and those tibetian who is out here today. the Tibet people in china were freed from Dali lama.
here is a great video to show that Tibet has been part of china.
if Tibet should be free, then England, Scotland, Ireland should also be free. its just different ethnicity, and china has 56 of them. why only free the tibetian? and not the other 55? BECAUSE you guys only heard that Tibet wants to be free! so don't be a bandwagon, learn your facts and history before do so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQnK...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9QNKB34cJo&
and here is a video shows that those protesters don't even know where is Tibet, and just support them because they want to be free. which is STUPID.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=twHzXN3kNTs
Even if you still wants to support to free Tibet, don't you think it should be done in a peaceful way? and not grab the Olympic torch and try to ruin the world sport? because trying to mess up a world event is terrorist act.
Here is a great website shows how the western media misleading the truth of Tibet issue.
http://www.anti-cnn.com/
What does terrorist do? burn cars? burn stores? and this is what those Dali Lama's people been doing in china.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4Z_prFMROC8 <---part 1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MiVunJBIGoM&feature=related <---part 2
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but yeah wimprezax06, i totally agree with you. perhaps im somewhat biased because i am chinese, but to everyone out there wanting to know more about the issue, learn the facts first, then decide which side you're on.
but yeah wimprezax06, i totally agree with you. perhaps im somewhat biased because i am chinese, but to everyone out there wanting to know more about the issue, learn the facts first, then decide which side you're on.
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"Free Tibet? I'll take it! Hello, China? I think I have something you want"
-Peter Griffen
Very interesting to read that, thanks for sharing. I honestly knew nothing about what was going on with Tibet but now I'm tempted to do more research on it.
pwnx0rs, thinking before acting is very unpatriotic
-Peter Griffen
Very interesting to read that, thanks for sharing. I honestly knew nothing about what was going on with Tibet but now I'm tempted to do more research on it.
pwnx0rs, thinking before acting is very unpatriotic
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thanks.
also there are many people say boycott China. which i think is even more silly, because just look around our house and wal mart. most of the item there says made in china. so for those who say boycott china, they should stop shopping for awhile. Boycott china will bring the economy down, and i really dont think that is a good idea. not like is even possible.
and the bottom line is that Tibet issue should not be part of Olympic. Olympics game belong to the whole world. and Tibet belongs to China.
also there are many people say boycott China. which i think is even more silly, because just look around our house and wal mart. most of the item there says made in china. so for those who say boycott china, they should stop shopping for awhile. Boycott china will bring the economy down, and i really dont think that is a good idea. not like is even possible.
and the bottom line is that Tibet issue should not be part of Olympic. Olympics game belong to the whole world. and Tibet belongs to China.
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You wouldn't happen to be Chinese or of Chinese descent?
What I find amusing are those of Liberal/Socialist mindset that have "Free Tibet" bumper stickers on their cars.....and live on (once) American Indian Land!
Lead by example: Donate your house/property to you local tribe.
What I find amusing are those of Liberal/Socialist mindset that have "Free Tibet" bumper stickers on their cars.....and live on (once) American Indian Land!
Lead by example: Donate your house/property to you local tribe.
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a great website shows how western media misleading the truth of Tibet issue.
http://www.anti-cnn.com/
http://www.anti-cnn.com/
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While I don't know a damn thing about the Tibetan issue, I do know that China is hardly a country that should talk when it comes to human rights issues and protests....
*cough* Tiananmen Square *cough*
Seems to me that a group of people wouldn't want to split away from a government unless the government ruling really sucks, which the chinese government seems to do well.
*cough* Tiananmen Square *cough*
Seems to me that a group of people wouldn't want to split away from a government unless the government ruling really sucks, which the chinese government seems to do well.
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here is a video that Chris Nebe had done for the Tibet issue. so if some people who thinks Chinese are bias, here is the history of Tibet from a very famous movie producer in America.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xsoc4-QnplY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xsoc4-QnplY
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While I don't know a damn thing about the Tibetan issue, I do know that China is hardly a country that should talk when it comes to human rights issues and protests....
*cough* Tiananmen Square *cough*
Seems to me that a group of people wouldn't want to split away from a government unless the government ruling really sucks, which the chinese government seems to do well.
*cough* Tiananmen Square *cough*
Seems to me that a group of people wouldn't want to split away from a government unless the government ruling really sucks, which the chinese government seems to do well.
As for the Tian An Men Square issue. If 30,000 plus students gather in front of the white house at Washington DC for so many days, and they refuse to eat and said they will starve themselves. what would you do?
I can almost guarantee you that America will also send cops out to make those people leave! The Tian An Men square protest is not 2 days, it has been months! which is a huge issue. people need to understand that who are they dealing with.
another thing about the protest was very unreasonable. the students wants human rights and freedom. of course there is nothing wrong with that. BUT it is IMPOSSIBLE for China to become capitalist in just one day! China will not change their government just because the students demand that they wants human right. As everyone can see, China is moving forward. It is very to see that China is changing, but only time will tell. By rushing and demanding China to let go of their power and human rights it was unwise.
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I do have a question for you.
As for the Tian An Men Square issue. If 30,000 plus students gather in front of the white house at Washington DC for so many days, and they refuse to eat and said they will starve themselves. what would you do?
I can almost guarantee you that America will also send cops out to make those people leave! The Tian An Men square protest is not 2 days, it has been months! which is a huge issue. people need to understand that who are they dealing with. .
As for the Tian An Men Square issue. If 30,000 plus students gather in front of the white house at Washington DC for so many days, and they refuse to eat and said they will starve themselves. what would you do?
I can almost guarantee you that America will also send cops out to make those people leave! The Tian An Men square protest is not 2 days, it has been months! which is a huge issue. people need to understand that who are they dealing with. .
another thing about the protest was very unreasonable. the students wants human rights and freedom. of course there is nothing wrong with that. BUT it is IMPOSSIBLE for China to become capitalist in just one day! China will not change their government just because the students demand that they wants human right. As everyone can see, China is moving forward. It is very to see that China is changing, but only time will tell. By rushing and demanding China to let go of their power and human rights it was unwise.
It's has everything to do with right and wrong.
Simply put, China's gov't is fascist in nature, and that makes it wrong.
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Actually Paul- Totalitarian would be the more appropriate adjective, PRC is still a police state where the government has absolute authority over every aspect of a citizen's life.
"Fascism" belongs in your "Socialism, Capitalism, Communism," category- it's really more about economics and state/corporate unification tied in with irrational nationalism, than a lack of personal liberty, although that does tend to come with the package.
China is in fact headed that way, but they still have an awful lot of government owned industry- effectively their communism is getting in the way of all out fascism, but Totalitarianism has been a constant for centuries- going back well before Mao and the communists in China.
Strictly speaking, when it comes to the road to fascism, we are even farther along than they are.
But wimpreza's presentation seems like a complete PRC propaganda ploy, have you ever met or talked with the Dalai Lama or any of the other Lamas or monks who live in exile from their homeland in Tibet?
- well I have, and I won't waste time arguing with you- just suffice it to say you are wrong with just about everything you posted.
"Fascism" belongs in your "Socialism, Capitalism, Communism," category- it's really more about economics and state/corporate unification tied in with irrational nationalism, than a lack of personal liberty, although that does tend to come with the package.
China is in fact headed that way, but they still have an awful lot of government owned industry- effectively their communism is getting in the way of all out fascism, but Totalitarianism has been a constant for centuries- going back well before Mao and the communists in China.
Strictly speaking, when it comes to the road to fascism, we are even farther along than they are.
But wimpreza's presentation seems like a complete PRC propaganda ploy, have you ever met or talked with the Dalai Lama or any of the other Lamas or monks who live in exile from their homeland in Tibet?
- well I have, and I won't waste time arguing with you- just suffice it to say you are wrong with just about everything you posted.
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Actually Paul- Totalitarian would be the more appropriate adjective, PRC is still a police state where the government has absolute authority over every aspect of a citizen's life.
"Fascism" belongs in your "Socialism, Capitalism, Communism," category- it's really more about economics and state/corporate unification than a lack of personal liberty, although that does tend to come with the package.
China is in fact headed that way, but they still have an awful lot of government owned industry- effectively their communism is getting in the way of all out fascism, but Totalitarianism has been a constant for centuries- going back well before Mao and the communists in China.
Strictly speaking, when it comes to the road to fascism, we are even farther along than they are.
"Fascism" belongs in your "Socialism, Capitalism, Communism," category- it's really more about economics and state/corporate unification than a lack of personal liberty, although that does tend to come with the package.
China is in fact headed that way, but they still have an awful lot of government owned industry- effectively their communism is getting in the way of all out fascism, but Totalitarianism has been a constant for centuries- going back well before Mao and the communists in China.
Strictly speaking, when it comes to the road to fascism, we are even farther along than they are.
I'm reading a book titled "Liberal Fascism" right now.
Would like to borrow it when I'm done?
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do you know after that tian an men square event china created "national guard" before that day, china only have police and army. police cant not handle things like that anymore, 40000 people stand at white house for 2 month, what would you do as president?
you would sent out police force and maybe even rubber bullet to tell them to go away. China had no choice but to use force. if you were the president of china at that time, what would you do? you would just let them stay there? its not that easy to solve that problem. china had always been a country like that for 5000 years, those students are so dumb to even protest like that. china can not be changed in one day that is the fact.
it takes time. like right now, china is much better and i can say some parts are even more free than america. how ever killing is not right, but i would personally do the same if im the president of china.
just think about it. you are the president of china, and 40k people stand in front of the capital and demand freedom. they stayed there for over a month, and there is no other way to make them leave but to use force.
and i dont know if you know that, that guy stand in front of the tank did not die. he got pulled away by one of the other protester. i have seen the documentary. i said that because i have seen books and magazine said that he was ran over by the tank.
you would sent out police force and maybe even rubber bullet to tell them to go away. China had no choice but to use force. if you were the president of china at that time, what would you do? you would just let them stay there? its not that easy to solve that problem. china had always been a country like that for 5000 years, those students are so dumb to even protest like that. china can not be changed in one day that is the fact.
it takes time. like right now, china is much better and i can say some parts are even more free than america. how ever killing is not right, but i would personally do the same if im the president of china.
just think about it. you are the president of china, and 40k people stand in front of the capital and demand freedom. they stayed there for over a month, and there is no other way to make them leave but to use force.
and i dont know if you know that, that guy stand in front of the tank did not die. he got pulled away by one of the other protester. i have seen the documentary. i said that because i have seen books and magazine said that he was ran over by the tank.
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Actually Paul- Totalitarian would be the more appropriate adjective, PRC is still a police state where the government has absolute authority over every aspect of a citizen's life.
"Fascism" belongs in your "Socialism, Capitalism, Communism," category- it's really more about economics and state/corporate unification tied in with irrational nationalism, than a lack of personal liberty, although that does tend to come with the package.
China is in fact headed that way, but they still have an awful lot of government owned industry- effectively their communism is getting in the way of all out fascism, but Totalitarianism has been a constant for centuries- going back well before Mao and the communists in China.
Strictly speaking, when it comes to the road to fascism, we are even farther along than they are.
But wimpreza's presentation seems like a complete PRC propaganda ploy, have you ever met or talked with the Dalai Lama or any of the other Lamas or monks who live in exile from their homeland in Tibet?
- well I have, and I won't waste time arguing with you- just suffice it to say you are wrong with just about everything you posted.
"Fascism" belongs in your "Socialism, Capitalism, Communism," category- it's really more about economics and state/corporate unification tied in with irrational nationalism, than a lack of personal liberty, although that does tend to come with the package.
China is in fact headed that way, but they still have an awful lot of government owned industry- effectively their communism is getting in the way of all out fascism, but Totalitarianism has been a constant for centuries- going back well before Mao and the communists in China.
Strictly speaking, when it comes to the road to fascism, we are even farther along than they are.
But wimpreza's presentation seems like a complete PRC propaganda ploy, have you ever met or talked with the Dalai Lama or any of the other Lamas or monks who live in exile from their homeland in Tibet?
- well I have, and I won't waste time arguing with you- just suffice it to say you are wrong with just about everything you posted.
what i have posted is just history, history facts about Tibet. my whole point of this thread is to share the history behind the Tibet issue.
are you saying that there weren't slaves in Tibet? are you saying that CNN and BBC did not write about fake stuff about this issue? these are true and real history facts.