I'm totally against AA in any form. Any argument in favor of it is just an attempt to rationalize racism.

I don't think UC or any state school should accept foreign applicants unless they have enough spots for all the Californians and Americans who have applied. Private schools can do what they want, but Californians paid to build the UC system and it should be used for the good of Californians.

 

Okay, let me chime in a bit on this subject, as I have been a first hand witness of this
"Whitey" keeping the brown man down. I'm working at a company putting in for an inside promotion and guess who get it an under qualified white guy. So I proceed to train this guy and get him up to speed on the ways of both our profession and company procedure. Well another promotional opportunity comes into play, I apply and guess what an even more unqualified white candidate get the job. Once could be a coincidence twice is a ****ing pattern as far as I'm concerned. Have I had to work harder than the average white man to get where I am? Hell yeah! Will I ever play the race card towards a company, no its not worth it in the end. My profession is a close nit one where everybody seems to know each others business.

By the way I quit the company two days after the second guy started. The boss came down to lecture me cause I was "slowing down the crew". There were two of us me and the new guy I was training to be my boss, yet I get the lecture of slowing things down. This person still currently works for that company even though through his incompetence he has lost a few jobs. Oh I also have another minority friend still working at this company though he has chosen to annoy the hell out of the guy who helped me decide to quit by tolerating all that is tossed his way. I'm sure it helps that he is very close to retirement.

Now don't think that affirmative action is the answer, but there is definitely still a struggle.

Oh' buy the way I grew in the neighborhood of Freeport(little hood across the street from the executive airport, check it out sometime) in Sacramento and also West side San Jose(Neighborhood between Alma, Monterey highway, San Jose ave, and Almaden expressway.

Also I'm sure a whole lot of white people get pulled over for a loose screw on their license plate frame

 

What ethnic background are you if you don't mind me asking?

BTW i grew up in south sacto too. In ****ty parts of the parkway area...

 

Center a g parkway huh. Spent alot of time chasing... anyway Hipanic/chicano background. My other friend I speak of is Filipino.

 

That is exactly What I feel aa is, a way to legitimize racism.

 

By the way Salty why listen to that horrid morning show anyway. Its gotta be one of the most racist shows I've heard. Of course it's OK when it done by anybody other than a white person

 

lol look at the dudes name
****!! such a terrible name.
like i said, compare the richest asian to the richest white man.
btw 4.8 billion couldb probably buy the philippines, guam, vietnam, and laos, maybe even cambodia.

you cannot deny that there is a discrepancy here. with all these asian graduates with technical degrees, there is an invisible glass ceiling in place for many minorities.

 

I would be interested to hear arguments in favor / against my earlier post (15 or 16). Salty... anybody?

 

I don't think it matters in this day an age and believe it's a cop-out for those that are envious of others success. I think the same thing would be true if white people were oppressed in our historical timeline. You'd be hearing white trailer-trash preaching about this and that when they're not doing a damn thing to improve themselves.

It's hard for anyone of any race to rise to the top of the success food-chain. When they do rise to the top you don't hear them complaining, do you? Nonetheless, it's VERY easy to pass the buck on our history when you haven't lived up to your own expectations and are ashamed of what you've become.

I am tracking like a scud in regard to everything else you've said so far and may read that book!

 

im mexican... aka ****** and im sick of working around lazy african american people that dont do **** but sit there with the race card out mocking everyone thats working

edgar, *flame suite*

 

Nobody else has anything to say on this?



Here's a good billboard advertisement for "the struggle"

 

Bump.

Turns out someone in "the struggle" just got selling drugs and ditched the cops. Yaaaayyy!

There's a chopper over my head telling everyone to stay in their houses and to not approach the 5'9" black male roaming my neighborhood. I live in a relatively nice area too... Go ahead and call me a bigot and a racist! This is the 3rd time this has happened in my neighborhood in the last month because I’m relatively close to a bad part of town.

 

I, too, am against afirmative action because I believe it perpetuates racial divide rather than work to reduce it. However, I am shocked noone has brought up primary education yet. THAT is what needs to be fixed to make our society 'colorblind.' The matter is less about racism, or even college, and more about the education that groups of people recieve when they are young up until high school. The difference between suburban (read: very white/asian washed) and urban (read:every other 'race') is gigantic. I'm not trying to stereotype in anyway; it is simply the truth that urban areas have much higher minority populations that have much worse education before college. If education at the K-12 level was all equall, 'race differences' in jobs/incomes would disapear quickly (1-2 generations), and racial tensions would be hugely reduced. Affirmative Action does nothing to try and fix the primary education problem, and therefore cannot possibly help the overall situation. Examples: many of the well-off minorities sited in other posts on this thread got their primary education in areas of higher income (and therefore better schooling). It is as easy to see as an indiglo tach...make all primary education equall, and racial tensions will disapear as we know them.

 

I disagree, racism is alive and don't forget why things are so different for blacks and hispanics. They are the poor, and get the worst schools hence the worst educations. Basically have the worst start possible. Its funny, yet very sad, one of the schools I went too for highschool was in a poor section of town. It was run down like hell. I mean no bathroom doors, so over filled with students that I would have to walk outside of the school to get to class on time. (I wasn't the only one and they gave us 10 mins to get to class to class.) Tons of other crappy things. My family moved to a better part of town after a year. The school I went to had just spent I believe over a million dollars on a football field. And had new computers and other new stuff. The difference? Mostly hispanic and black school was the poor one while the mostly white school was the rich one. They don't get a "fair" shot at starting out in life. To say AA is not needed to get more blacks/hispanics educated is not true. They would have no chance in hell to get into a college if it wasn't for that. I went to I believe the third largest school in the nation. The black and hispanic population was basically none. And this was in Texas where there is a huge hispanic population. Imagine if AA was taken out?

Why besides those reasons should AA exist? Well pretty simply put by helping a few get a better education they can bring more of there race to do better. And also they tend to help out others of there race. The trickle down effect shall we say.

I agree though it isn't fair for other races that they have don't get the same opportunity as minorities. But this is the only viable solution at this point in time. In a ideal situation K-12 schools would have the better teachers in the poorer sections of town and also they would get the most money. In the long run things would even out and education system would be balanced. Will it happen? I doubt it. So we are stuck with the only other thing possible, AA. Oh and hispanics and blacks are hardly over running colleges. To suggest that is laughable.

 

Oh and Salty how many times have you been pulled over randomly by cops? That is the "struggle" as you put they are talking about. To say minorities do not get treated badly by those in powers at times is not true. Education is the key to low crime levels and since minorities usually get the short end of the stick in this area what do you expect to happen.