Hey BTW I just saw 3 polls that all had it around 60% for the husband.

So Congress is once again being dumb!

 

I respect the court's decision. All I’m saying is that the whole situation stinks, Unregistered. You can go ahead and put your soapbox away now. kthnk

 

That is not relevant to the moral question. The question is: Which party's interest is strongest? I think it's asinine to say the parents have no interest in this whatsoever. Mikey Schiavo has one too. See below for my breakdown.


Alright, if she can't feel a thing, and she's an empty shell, how exactly does it harm Terri Schiavo for her to remain alive? She doesn't know she's stuck in bed. She can't feel anything that happens to her. So please explain to me how you harm Terri, not Mikey, by keeping her on the feeding tube. Do you believe her soul is magically trapped by her body until it decomposes? If not, this argument holds no water.

On the flipside, her parents genuinely believe that she can hear them and that she should remain alive as long as her body will breath on its own. Michael Schiavo, whatever his interest is (there is a trust fund involved), has at best a claim to represent what Terri would've wanted. If he really believes that she's gone, and that this is just a body, what is the purpose of torturing her parents who believe the opposite? It's a clear cut case of weighing harms: Terri's parents experience something tantamount to murder in their eyes, versus Michael Schiavo terminating support for a body that he thinks is lifeless anyway. Whichever side wins will make no difference to Terri Schiavo.

So why torture the parents? Just to satisfy a belief that Terri's already dead, so the body should be in the ground? If you believe she's gone, as Michael does, then do the decent thing and think about the people who are still here: Her parents.

 

good points. but the trust fund issue is invalid. schiavo has been offered as much as $10 million to walk away and leave his wife's care to her parents but he has refused.

i agree that something smells fishy in this whole mess, but i dont think that it has to do with money.

one question: if he has had two kids with another woman, couldnt his family argue that schiavo is not fit to be the trustee since he broke their marriage contract by cheating on her?

 

Unfortunately because this is something Terri Shiavo had told her husband that she did not want to do. (if the husband is telling the truth.) He is carrying out her wishes. I am inclined to believe him too because he turned down the money to just walk away.

Although I see your point on this I don't think it would hold any weight in court because of her current vegatative state.

 

No, believe he is doing what his wife wanted him to do. And thats let her body leave. I can't honestly answer if her soul is in her body or not but the fact that she is being kept alive just to please her parents seems to me a bit selfish on the parents end. Also dying with diginity is I think the main reason why he wants to let her go. While the parents have some false hopes of what her situation really is.

Because Terri didn't want to "live" like this. (Don't know if you really can call it living.) And she told him this, so why would he not do what her wishes are? Wouldn't you grant a person you love what they desired. And because her parents are misguided does not mean they are right. So her own wishes should be denied. No, Micheal does not think its lifeless, it IS lifeless big difference. Again I think your missing the point she didn't want this. And the courts have continously agreed with him.

What about her wishes? Should her parents not let her go? Because thats exactly what she wanted? Why not do the real decent thing and stop giving her parents FALSE hopes that their daughter will return one day. And again Michael is still here and obviously he has fought tooth and nail to do what she would of wanted. Regardless of the 10 million dollars that was offered for him to walk away. Which if you really think about it would of been the easiest thing for him to do.

 

Oh im sorry for trying to educate you on a subject that you where un-educated on and making false assumptions. kthnks

 

Selfish on the parent's end how!? They wish for a miracle. Do you think they want their daughter to be in a coma for their own sake? I want you to explain how this is selfish. It's not like they are having fun watching Terri sit in a hospital bed.

The soul in the body idea is silly. At what point would a soul leave a body? When lungs stop? Why do some people stop breating for a little and come back? When all living tissue dies? Then could we imprison a soul by taking some cells and keeping them fed and growing in a petri dish??? The point on that was to show that the magical soul argument is irrelevant.


This answer goes for SilverScoob too. If Terri Schiavo is already mentally long gone, how do you harm Terri by letting her parents cling to hope? Her wishes are irrelevant at this point. Her mind is not active. She is unaware, and cannot ever become aware, of what is happening. If she dies or continues in this bed, her own experience of the situation will be the same. Which do you think does more good: serving the wishes of someone who is completely unaware of what's happening, or allowing the parents to continue caring for their daughter and to continue believing that she will get better?

Even if the parent's hope is false, does it hurt anyone to allow false hope? Not Terri, if you're right. She has zero awareness of the situation. So, you do Terri no good (since she can't experience anything), and you do the parents harm. The "terri wanted this" argument is bunk, and that's before you consider whether or not her husband is telling the truth. It's very easy for people to say "if I were like that, I wouldn't want to live", but many people who've said such things have ended up in wheelchairs or worse and continued to live. We should consider the opitions appropriate to Terri as she is now, not Terri as she was 20 years ago. As she is now, she feels nothing. But her parents do.

Unregistered, if it's true that Terri is just a shell, what you're advocating is doing harm to the living in order to benefit the dead.

 

The only thing that pisses me off is that it was years later that he convientley remembered it, after he was engaged and had children. I'd want to die too(for teh record) but who knows what really happened... that ****er "remembered" it after the fact(wich happened to be years later?). I will not post again in this thread, so don't try to start an arguement or correct me on my spelling because you have nothing better to do. BTW michael Shaivo wants her creameted wich is against catholisisim(Terri is a catholic) Don't try to argue with me cause I'm kinda in teh middle on this one. So don't post because you like to hear yourself talk. K bye.

 

Its selfish because the parents are holding her from dying in a dignified way. They are also hoping for soemthing that will never happen. They are putting their wishes over those of their daughters.

Ok we agree on this then.

I don't know about you but I do not want my body treated in certain ways after I die. Thats like saying you wouldn't mind if someone dug up your body and analy raped you. Because after all your already dead and gone so what does it matter? I would want my final wishes to be followed through and thats why I disagree with this. Not because its doing more harm to her parents, which is debatable since lying to yourself about something like this is pretty hurtful on its own, but because this is what she wanted.

I disagree with your saying that, "terri wanted this argument is bunk" since that is entirly why Im against these actions. Not to mention that amount of money and time spent on someone that will never recover. (And its debatable if she really isn't already "dead" in a sense.) Also as I have stated before her husband has no reason to lie about this. He was offered so much to just walk away but hasn't. And has made tons of effort be at her side. By taking away her right to die the way she wanted to you disregard her as a person. And for what she lived for. Her parents need to just let her go. This is no way for a person to "live."

What Im advocating is having someones wishes be done. Just like you decide if you become a organ donor when you die. This is the samething in my oppinion. You are honoring the persons living wishes. Her parents are in denial about her state and that only hurts them. False hopes don't amount to much and what will happen to them when they finally realize that she is gone? I see your side but I still disagree with it.

 

very interesting judicial / legislative actions have taken place. congress's decision to try and get involved may get them in hot water as they seemed to have overstepped their authority

 

Funny thing is he isn't the only one that has said this. Her friends also knew about what she wanted.

Get over yourself. I pmed you because I didn't want someone to diss your argument because of flawed spelling like they had done to me before in the past. **** I even said, "So I let you know and did it in the least offensive way possible that I could think of." I guess trying to help you out is having nothing better to do.

BTW I suggest you actually read up on this subject from a none biased source. You obviously have a lot of the facts wrong. k bye.

 

Thing is this isn't about her parents. It's about her and what she wanted. If it were me I would like my wishes carried out over the pain it would cause my parents.

The second thing is that she is Catholic so that means that she believes in heaven and you can't get to heaven until you are dead. Seems cruel to keep her here in this "shell" when she could go on to better things.

I feel for the parents I really do. I can't imagine how terrible it must be for them, but as a parent I don't know if I could ever watch my son/daughter in that state for 15 years. There comes a point when you have to start listening to the countless neuro-surgeons and doctors that are telling you that there is no hope.

I don't know. I'm on the hedge on this one too but I tend to side with the husband a little bit more. I mean if he really was the horrible person that everyone makes him out to be why didn't he take the ten million that was offered him?

 

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Well it looks like all options are exhausted....

 

I like that one sign. "Thank you justices! The Radical Right must not be allowed to intimidate us!

They're not fooling anyone. It takes a equally radical leftist to protest the so-called "radical right." They'll probably complain about how Christians are ruining the country. Although I don't think they're ruining the country at all I do feel there needs to be separation of church and state. I also don't think congress should have interfered. Fine.

But I’m willing to bet every one of those that are holding picket signs against the radical right would gladly accept the middle east insurgency as revolutionary. I know it's O.T. but whatever.

Truth be told I didn't have all my facts straight about Shiavo, Unregistered. <golf clap> It's obvious you don't have your facts straight either though. You claim she's can't feel a thing so why burden those that can? Seem like the greater good to me but whatever. The courts have their reasons and I respect that.